Californians fed up with housing costs and taxes are fleeing state in big numbers

Yeah right, that's why renters will pay up to 2000 per sq foot. You all keep missing the obvious. It has to get THIS expensive before people were ready to move to some sucky red state.

And what do you want, a theocracy? No wonder Californians will pay 4 times the price and more to stay, rather than living under the thumb of religious freaks.

 

Someone's loss of freedom is another's peace of mind. It simply varies based on perspective. I find collectivism can be good to a degree. Though excessive utilitarian collectivism can be a problem. I agree that the high taxes are a negative though.

 

It's a shame. It definately looks as though it had been one of the better, more interesting states at one point.

 

Based on the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey data, "lower income Californians are the ones who are leaving, not higher income," said Christopher Thornberg, founding partner of research and consulting firm Beacon Economics in Los Angeles.


He said housing is the chief reason people are leaving California, pointing out there are frequently bidding wars for what limited inventory of homes is available.

Even if it's not the only cause, it's clearly the most significant one.

 

ooo, my. To you everything is a theocracy under some kind of sharia law. Stay strong, you are really helping.

My lament for California went far beyond the cost of living. But you haven't noticed anything, apparently.

 

it is just another attempt by the so called religios right trying to impose their ideology.

 

Most everything is more expensive in California.

Just gas alone is about $1 per gallon higher than the National average mainly because California requires a special blend of gas and the state gas tax is a whopping 42 cents per gallon which both are policy driven.

 

It was, I was around when California was great and was known as the "Golden State."

Low taxes, individual personal freedoms, the best public school system in the country, free Jr. College (community college), the best roads and highways in the country, business friendly, no political correctness and every mans home was his castle and government didn't tell you what kind of light bulb you could use or what kind of toilet you can use to take a crap or when you can put a log in your fireplace. You could even take a long shower if you wanted to or even wash your car on your drive way.

 

No, California doesn't have a balanced budget...
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-jerry-brown-budget-trump-risks-20170110-story.html

 

Freedom is a zero sum game, my friend. The more collectivist we are, the bigger government becomes. And bigger, more powerful government inevitably results in a loss of freedom.

 

I can sympathize with imposing one's ideology onto others. However, they don't even have the decency to be honest about it. It is always "religious freedom". This is the paradox that America's so-called founding fathers didn't comprehend. People are too different for their various values to co-exist. If abortion is allowed, it violates someone's religious beliefs. If it is banned, then it subjegates non-religious citizens to the rule of someone else's religion.

 

Individual personal freedoms are something of a "double-eged sword" for me. And I prefer political correctness to a point (mostly 2005-2009's style of political correctness).
However, the rest all sounds wonderful APACHERAT.
I think the water conservatiom might simply be due to a drought. If they were willing to remove the illegal immigrant population though, it might greatly reduce water consumption.

 

Anecdotal evidence. Cool story.

 

That is true, Texas Republican. Though it would depend on what someone values as freedom. Laws under my ideal version of a totalitarian government, for example, wouldn't be of any issue to me. But I shudder at the thought of a powerful government lead by the American far-left. It would be an economically damaged, humorless, genderless hellscape on par (yet on the opposite end of the political spectrum) with Gavin McInnes' utopian Canada.

 

Don't assume limitations on abortion are solely grounded in religion. A lot are, but the left can be just as religious and anti-science on this issue. That is why they do not want to consider a child as a human until the moment of birth, and even then, some still want to wait some days.

 

It would be a nation without freedom of thought, speech, or guns.

 

No, I person's personal issue with themselves should not be imposed by others.

 

Yeah right!!!

 

Just read that Weatherby is moving to Wyoming...

 

California has always had droughts, some lasting ten years or more but there was always enough water. But not for 40 million people and Jerry Brown and the progressives still have the welcome mat out at the Mexican border.

I was only two years old when my parents moved to California and the population of California was around 12 million.

Re: Political correctness aka cultural-marxism

It was born in Germany during the 1920's, the Frankfurt School.
It's totalitarian, thought control. It was brought to America in 1940 during WW ll and was adopted by the Marxist and the "New Left" in the early 1970's. It attacks America's culture, customs, traditions, history and language.

 

What do you mean issues with themselves?

 

I have totalitarian beliefs myself. Though not the same version as their's. What forms of political correctness do they try to impose? I've never fully understood whether the term cultural Marxism was the same as perspective purity.

 

Off topic alert ..

It's odd that the two are such different sports, and attract such different people. When I think of fishing, I only ever think of sand, surf, beach rods, and stinky bait. To others, it's all waders and flies.

 

It would definately be their utopia of ideological unity. But not my ideal nation. The first two would be irrelvant for me in a nation in line with my views, but I do like guns.

 

whose 'better'? yours? or theirs?