Can anything be more stupid then Trumps border wall

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  1. TomFitz

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    It's a close call, but Trump's foreign policy is a definite candidate for more stupid.
     
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    Agreed. Isolationism is an almost insane idea. And yet...
     
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    It's more than insane, it's impossible.
     
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    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    We live in a global society that intersects politically, socially, culturally, economically, etc.
     
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    It is economics.

    It is economics that governments remain sovereign to maintain worker's wage levels.

    It is economics that governments protect citizen's jobs.

    The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that there are 27 MILLION legal and illegal immigrant workers in our workforce. That's 17-percent of the ENTIRE WORKFORCE.

    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/forbrn.nr0.htm

    With a little training in economics, it should be easy to see WHY wages have stagnated for decades.

    And Trump seems to be one of the few that can see this. Originally, immigration laws were enacted to protect the American workers.

    Why do you people keep voting for a political party that KEEPS YOUR WAGES ARTIFICIALLY LOW?

    Steve
     
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    And the unemployment rate is 3.7%. Do you see any problem with getting rid of 17% of the workforce?
     
  7. Stevew

    Stevew Well-Known Member

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    Get some ECONOMICS TRAINING!

    "Unemployment" numbers don't show the true picture that SHOULD include "discouraged" workers among others, that haven't actively sought employment. They are no longer considered "participants" in the labor force.

    In addition, low "unemployment" does show that WAGES will rise again as employers offer more money to hire people away from other companies. They don't have to do that when MORE immigrants come into the workforce.

    Steve
     
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    Trump followers might want to work in the fields.
     
  9. Stevew

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    KEEP voting for the politicians that KEEP your OWN WAGES LOW!

    How STUPID is that?

    Steve
     
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    It's not stupid at all! I love it when company's can keep the cost of their unskilled labor down.
     
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    Read the article I posted. Immigrants, legal and illegal are taking skilled and unskilled jobs, and keeping WAGES ARTIFICIALLY LOW FOR EVERYONE.

    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/forbrn.nr0.htm

    When the economy prospers MORE, then wages will rise so long as companies are getting their workforce from the citizens available.

    THAT IN TURN, GENERATES GREATER ECONOMIC GROWTH!

    Steve
     
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    I agree we should be strict with h1b visas but I haven't heard the orange idiot mention them. I'm not worried about illegals crossing our southern border and taking skilled labor jobs, and neither should you be.
     
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    Good. Put the uneducated in the field.
     
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    Trump is making campaign speeches to appeal to the masses. If he gets into the nuts and bolts of economics, as I did, then people like you call him an "orange idiot" which ONLY SHOWS YOUR OWN IGNORANCE. Name calling is NOT AN ARGUMENT.

    I don't worry about it because I am retired with a degree in economics.

    GET A GRIP ON REALITY!

    Steve
     
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    I'll play your game for one more round.
    The U5 is at 4.6%..
    Look around for another scapegoat.
     
  16. JakeStarkey

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    ronv is education the ignorant on the far right about the UE.
     
  17. perdidochas

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    The only thing more stupid than the border wall is allowing unlimited migration to a welfare nation.
     
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    Yes, perdidocas, both are pretty stupid.
     
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    So lets keep it to one stupid and skip the wall.
     
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    So you want to choose the most stupid choice?

    That said, we need to stop the unlimited migration to a welfare nation. It's much more stupid to allow that than to build a wall. Personally, I think our best bet would be to set up a better version of eVerify, and harshly punish any company that hires illegals, as well as deporting any illegal caught working in the U.S. In addition, don't let illegals collect any sort of welfare. We need to get rid of the incentives for them to want to live here illegally.
     
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    So why go on about a wall?
     
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    Just eliminating the welfare will fix the problem
     
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    Why is that? Our election has nothing to do with the wall MEXICO will build

    Who’s going to pay for the wall?
    MEXICO
     
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    Because it's not nearly as stupid as allowing unrestricted immigration into a welfare state.
     

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