Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

Except they weren't and the Court stated that.

So you are wrong, they were just suing a Christian baker because they didn't like their religion.

 

i think most churches are not bigoted these days, times change, the church was anti-science for a long time, even saying if God wanted man to fly he would of gave him wings

there was a time here in America where the fight was over "the God given right to own slaves".. times change

 

No it isn't.

 

I’m going up to the sky with the invisible man and I’m not Christian. I hope I don’t have to wear one of those silly outfits with wings and change my name to Angel

 

And women were to be subservient

 

So do rabid dogs qualify as such? And if yes, do you fancy yourself a rabid dog whisperer? And if no, perhaps you can explain how exactly you proceed logically from "irrational" to "harmless".

 

Nice that you can dictate to God.

I am very sure He appreciates that.

 

No, the reason was that they broke the public accommodation law.

You know, let's not be lying here. There is no question about this.

 

Exactly. Americans have come to understand same sex orientation better than they have in the past.

And, that will continue.

 

Just gonna pop in here to point out that y'all might be unintentionally equivocating here. Pitbull (not the rapper) being a "liberal German" likely understands liberalism to be more akin to what Americans might call "libertarianism" or "classical liberalism."

While American libertarianism is probably on the extreme end of that strain, I'd venture a guess that pitbull is more akin to them than the American Progressives.

 

The reason doesn't matter.

They sued and they lost and the Court said they were wrong.

End of story.

 

It's totalitarianism, not communism. "Ingsoc is the fictional political party of the totalitarian government of Oceania in George Orwell's Dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four."

Read Down and Out in Paris and London if you want to actually understand Orwell. You people who think he is a rightwing zealot are completely off the mark. Completely.

I taught 1984 and Down and Out in Paris and London, as well as many of his stories, to college level students for many years. I've also taught Animal Farm. Read Burmese Days if you want to understand what he thinks of the British Empire, which was true capitalism. He is the opposite of a rightwinger. Sorry, but the under-educated and ignorant have tried to embrace him as their prophet when he is nothing of the kind. Stick with Ayn Rand.

"George Orwell's 1984 is a classic critique of a totalitarian society."

"George Orwell's books - especially Nineteen Eighty-Four and Animal Farm - are written against totalitarianism and also against Communism from the point of view of an ardent socialist. Orwell thought that all political theories and ideologies - except socialism - are hopeless and disillusioning."

Orwell was a socialist. http://mural.uv.es/mabela/orw+pol.htm

These are characteristics of a totalitarian government. They are what Trump wants.

• Rule by a single party.
• Total control of the military.
• Total control over means of communication (such as newspapers, propaganda, etc…)
• Police control with the use of terror as a control tactic.
• Control of the economy
• Dictatorship

He was also very, very much against Hitler. In fact, WWII prompted the writing of 1984. The Nazi government was NOT a socialist government but a totalitarian dictatorship. Again, the under-educated and ignorant embrace Orwell simply because they are under-educated and ignorant.

 

Kindly REFRAIN from PROJECTING your own shortcomings onto others.

 

And how would anyone ever get the idea there is the least bit of overlap between the two, right?

Which doesn't have a damn thing to do with anything I said, obviously.

Well now there's an interesting turn of phrase. So who "taught" you 1984?

 

But not for the reason you think. Read the ruling. It only applied to this specific case, and no other. Bakers refusing to bake a cake for same sex weddings is still illegal in CO. What the ruling stated was that the baker could not be forced to ATTEND the wedding service.

 

I quoted from a literary discussion of his work, not a political discussion. Not everything in life is about American left and right politics. Get out of your tiny world bubble.

When I teach a work, I read all the literary criticism on it. It is literary criticism going back to the time the book was first published up to current literary criticism. It has nothing to do with the dramatic and extreme partisanship now existing between the American right and left. As well, the literary critics are not all from America. In addition, they analyze all aspects of the work, not just themes, but all literary devices the author has used, which are linked to theme, used to express theme.

Do you really think a college level literature instructor simply regurgitates what she/he was taught in a high school or college class? LOL

Also, those who have studied Orwell's work extensively, and not just seen the movie 1984, but have read and studied all his work, are very cognizant of his theories about life and how they are expressed in ALL his work. As I said, read Down and Out in Paris and London. You will soon realize he is a bleeding heart liberal. LOL You don't know a damn thing. Truly. Critics and scholars have ALWAYS said 1984 is about totalitarianism. Critics and scholars have always known he was a socialist because they study ALL his work and ALL HIS LIFE.

"These three weeks were squalid and uncomfortable, and evidently there was worse coming, for my rent would be due before long. Nevertheless, things were not a quarter as bad as I had expected. For, when you are approaching poverty, you make one discovery which outweighs some of the others. You discover boredom and mean complications and the beginnings of hunger, but you also discover the great redeeming feature of poverty: the fact that it annihilates the future. Within certain limits, it is actually true that the less money you have, the less you worry. When you have a hundred francs in the world you are liable to the most craven panics. When you have only three francs you are quite indifferent; for three francs will feed you till tomorrow, and you cannot think further than that. You are bored, but you are not afraid. You think vaguely, ‘I shall be starving in a day or two – shocking, isn’t it?’ And then the mind wanders to other topics. A bread and margarine diet does, to some extent, provide its own anodyne. (Down and Out in Paris and London, ch. 3)"

"At the end of Down and Out Orwell confesses that he has only scraped the ‘fringe’ of what it is to be poor. But what comes through strongly is his generosity of spirit. The poor are not parasites, not ‘scroungers’ – they are victims. The book ends, movingly, with a defence of the human dignity of the tramp and beggar. Down and Out, like Nineteen Eighty-Four, is a book which is ‘valuable to humanity’."

https://www.bl.uk/20th-century-lite...roduction-to-down-and-out-in-paris-and-london

'Down and Out was published by Victor Gollancz, a socialist publisher. To shield his (middle class) family’s possible embarrassment, Eric Blair (Orwell's birth name) took on the pen name George Orwell. It was his first published full length work.'

 

He sent me a thank you note

 

More to the point, you didn't quote from 1984 at all. Which is passing strange, given what you are putatively responding to.

You would do better to reflect on where the hell you got the idea that a literary masterpiece needs to be taught in the first place - especially when the teacher has nothing better to offer than such torrents of diversionary drivel as you've graced us with here.

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The court said the CO officials were wrong for the attitude they expressed - derision for the religion of the baker.

The CO public accommodation law still stands.

 

What are you sorry about?

With the current discord re tariffs between so-called allies in the G7, it's a concept whose time has arrived.

 

Nevertheless : "Love God and love one another" - His sentiments are clear enough.

As for the 'state': it is not a charity; it exists, inter alia, to promote well-ordered relations between self-interested individuals, to avoid chaos.

 

Even TRUMP was in agreement until at the very end he decided to not sign.

Calling that some sort of discord is ridiculous. At the most it was Trump disagreeing with 6 of our key allies.

And, you better identify the corruption if you are going to make that kind of accusation.

 

My simple answer is no, since liberalism is a war against God and all His faithful. Liberalism in theology is just outright evil as changing and corrupting the Bible is wrong on so many levels, punishable by hell. Liberalism is the occult and it clings to occult ideals and have strayed so far from orthodoxy that it cannot be considered Christian.

Anyone who reads the NT will read about liberals being excommunicated by the Apostles. Simply stated, theology is strictly a conservative discipline and Jesus did not want people to change His words to fit fad and fashion.

 

There is an easier way to deal with that problem: become conservative.