Can you condemn Mohammad Ali for his racist views?

1. It points out how lousy of a communicator "god" is if his book can be used by the KKK!
2. A real "god", a sane one, would be smart enough to know that those verses are dangerous, if even the KKK can easily use them to teach hatred of others....just for being different.

 

He didn't? This despite him splitting from the Nation of Islam in his later years.......

 

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/382466451.xhtml
Unifier.

 

How much moral courage does one have condemning a man after he has died?

 

Hello new age hippie. Do you have a heart big enough for Adolf Hitler?

See? You don't love everybody. And I might have gotten you questioning if you love MOST body.

 

LOl You really can't see that those 'condemnations' may make more of a difference, if the man is alive to hear or know about them. It alters nobody's behavior to condemn a man that has been dead for centuries based on an oral reconstruction of what was subsequently translated from two different languages centuries ago.

This is ludicrous, It does not take moral courage to stand up against Adolph Hitler now Sell your crap to fools. This is about your anti-theist bigotry not anything about Jesus or Mohammed or Hitler.

 

I do not believe it is rational to draw conclusions on who was or was not ' moral' based on the obscure and probably inaccurate reconstructions of an oral tradition, documented a hundred years after they died and then edited translated, re-edited and retranslated over centuries of time.

You have to think like a secular humanistm if you claim to be one, not silly paranoid parrot. You don't know squat and you can't know squat of any relevance.

 

Knock it off, Freedom. You do not have any basis to know if I have the 'self confidence' to make a moral judgement. You do not know what moral judgements I make or against whom. or how frequently I make them, or why or why not I do not make them when I don't. Your sample size is exceedingly small and you can't possibly know more than I tell you about why.

Be rational, not accusatory or manipulative. Make your argument match the evidence you actually have. That is what reasoned argumentation demands.

 

And he was inconsequential, nothing he said improved anything, because he wasn't assassinated, like the man who did have an impact was.

 

Mohammad Ali was in imperfect man, as we are all imperfect. However, he spent decades suffering from Parkinson's disease, and now he is deceased. Given the fact that his death was so recent and his suffering was so great, I think the decent thing to do is to show some quiet respect for now. The time will come when it ceases to be disrespectful to analyze his character, but that time has not yet arrived.

 

In one video I posted on this forum Ali threatens the atheist interviewer with violence, and as a great heavy-weight champion his threats would of course carry more weight that just about anybody you'd ever meet, so if this atheist was to meet him while he was alive, I might feel THREATENED to condemn him. Not that I lack moral courage, but that Ali was a violent man. That tends to happen when you beat people up for a living.

 

I'd want Hitler to have been put in jail forever, and same with Osama Bin Laden - but I'm more compassionate than Jesus/Allah because I wouldn't want them subjected to brutal barbaric torture like Jesus/Allah prescribe for even a non-believer (if the "after-life") like, say, Gandhi, or Mother Teresa if she converted to Modern Secular Humanism.

 

But you don't understand - Mohammad/Jesus influence people, who are ALIVE TODAY, so of course it matters! For example, Mohammad was so bad, that young girls are having their private parts cut, painfully, and reducing their sexual pleasure later in life, because Mohammad approved of FGM.
So can you condemn Mohammad for approving of FGM (which indirectly helps reduce the approval of FGM among people today)? Can you summon the courage to simply type "Yes!", or will you type MORE than those 3 simple letters to side-step doing the moral thing like you always seem to do with my posts explaining why you can't say the morally right thing? Please let us know.

- - - Updated - - -

Then condemn the people who believe that said texts are fully 100% accurate. Can you summon the moral courage to do that?

 

I've given you dozens of chances to say the morally right thing, such as to condemn Christians who still give their children a version of the Bible that has kill gays wording in it, but you never ever ever seem to summon the courage to do the right thing like I do. But I believe in you, and I have faith in you, so I think you'll do the right thing, morally, in the future. I believe in you more than I believe in a magic invisible talking dead guy who supposedly "watches over us" (Jesus.)

- - - Updated - - -

Yes, the only way a person can effect the world is if they get assassinated.

 

That's a good way to tell that someone is having an effect, not that they can. Which during that time, the people who made a difference, had an effect were assassinated.

 

After 290 posts, some of you have shown the moral courage to condemn Ali's racism - I applaud you!
For those of you who have balked at condemning his racism I do hope that you find the compassion in your heart to condemn his racism some day. I have faith in you.

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). It takes moral courage to stand up to bigots who are abusing people todah, not people who died centuries ago. You are actually a moral coward, because you refuse to confront what bigots do to people. You never say a peep about bigotry. You engage in it. If the people who believe in said texts literally, behave or speak in a bigoted way, Someone should stand up to them. You ignore them entirely because you either are a moral coward or you just don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about what they do. .

 

I do stand up to bigotry, more than almost anybody I know. For example, the Pope, today, promotes a book (Bible) that is so bigoted against gays that it says to KILL THEM! He's obviously an extreme bigot, as I couldn't even fathom myself promoting a book that says to kill gays (in multiple places, no less!) I condemn his bigotry, of course. He's such an incredible bigot that his book even says that gays deserve brutal, savage torture, and that they can't get into the elitist (no f*gs allowed) country club in the sky. Can you join me in standing up to the Pope's extreme hatred/bigotry towards innocent people, btthegreat?

 

, You can assume I will never contribute to your agenda no matter how many chances your provide. If my refusal does not provide evidence of a rational basis for your charge the first time. It does not provide a rational basis for your charge if I refuse twenty or forty times. Your sample size for determining if I make moral judgements, is still constrained by my conduct towards one poster in precisely the same set of circumstances, in one forum on line and you have no more clarity as to why I won't do what you demand, because I refuse the same request lots of time. You just learn that I am adamant and unyielding.

I will repeat myself so you do not ignore it.You do not have any basis to know if I have the 'self confidence' to make a moral judgement. You do not know what moral judgements I make or against whom. or how frequently I make them, or why or why not I do not make them when I don't. Your sample size is exceedingly small and you can't possibly know more than I tell you about why.

Be rational, not accusatory or manipulative. Make your argument match the evidence you actually have. That is what reasoned argumentation demands.

 

When you'll start condemning those people who "died centuries ago", like Buddha/Jesus/Mohammad/Moses, BECAUSE PEOPLE EMULATE THEM TO THIS VERY DAY(!), then I'll start to not condemn those people. But since people, to this very day, "worship" them, they are of course not above criticism. Keep in mind that 20% of the world's population thinks that a pedophile/rapist/torturer is the best person of all time.

 

"Yes, FreedomSeeker, I condemn Jesus/Bible for having 'kill gays' wording multiple places in their book", would have been less typing for you, and a more morally-correct stand........just sayin'.

 

I kinda think I do, because I've asked you untold numbers of times moral questions, and you steadfastly refuse to even make a moral judgement - period. Can you condemn "God/Jesus" for his barbaric flood that killed 99.999999% of all innocent animals? See, I already know your response - but that's ok, you don't have to make moral judgments, because Jesus said to not judge people. That's ok, it's just not the best way. For example, if people had made moral judgements during slavery, and condemned god/Jesus for accepting slavery, then one of the most barbaric acts in human history (slavery) would have likely ended sooner.

Have a great night.

- - - Updated - - -

So is religion, but I think that you're better than religions are.

 

Then criticize those who you claim actually emulate them, when they are doing the actual emulating ,in a way that hurts the people you say you care about. You never show you give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the acts or behavior you condemn in ancient dusty old tomes.

You care about Mohammed and what those old books say about girls that have been dead for hundreds of years. But You have never posted about the girls who we know get abused now. That is because you don't care about the flesh and blood crime or the flesh and blood victims. You only care about using those stories for propaganda. Sexual assault and abuse is not supposed to be about anti-muslim propaganda for you. its supposed to be about justice and healing for them.

They are not sweating in terror at night because muslims exist. They are sweating in terror because predators exist.

 

I'd like to think I stand up to all bigotry....yesterday AND today. For example, you don't seem to be able to condemn the bigotry that today's Christians/Muslims have towards, say, women (based on the misogynistic teachings of their texts), when I ask, so I'd like to think I stand up to your approval of bigotry.

 

"Yes Freedom, I will become part of your anti muslem/ anti-Christian Hate group" is also less typing for me. That is not my standard.