Can you condemn Mohammad Ali for his racist views?

That's like... meta-racism! A racist application of race critique.

 

He was a great entertainer, a great boxer, and a great family man. I worked with one guy that had worked with him before, and he was impressed with him.

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You couldn't condemn HITLER, with your attitude!

 

Then it's high time you got out there and started making more pancakes, my friend!

 

As a Modern Secular Humanist yes I love him. Loving someone does not mean you don't call them on their racism - that's loving them (and the other people that pointing out the bad things about racism helps.) I'm not saying he's scum, no, just saying that people like btthegreat won't condemn Ali's racism, as they aren't secure in their moral thinking.

 

Fight racism with....with....uh, let's see, let me think here for a second....with....MORE RACISM!!!!!!!!! Their inability to condemn Ali's racism is of course holding back on the effort to eliminate racism once and for all in America.

 

Let's not be unrealistic, racism will never be eliminated from any society. Such an aim will give us a totalitarian government soon enough.

Rather, we should be seeking to foster free speech. That same right to free speech gives us the right to counter their bigotry with our truth. Offensive ideas are the only sort which need protection.

Not that you disagree with any of this, I'm just making a point

 

You might have a better handle on this than I do. Yes, complete elimination might never be achieved.
Over the last few days you've had the most truthful posts of any that I've read.
Keep up the good work.

 

No, you're just absolutely and totally wrong about that.

He spoke up strongly for his race when others were not.

I think you're probably just too young to know what was going on at the time.

And, comparing him to Klansmen (who were murdering African Americans for being black, blowing up their churches, burning crosses, etc.) is just plain ignorant of you. In areas of the South an African America was risking his life if he called a white man by his first name.

 

Mohammad Ali wasn't racist.

You don't need to be a psychologist to see that his "racism" was just a reaction to the society he grew up in which told him that he had to get up and give a white person his seat on a bus, and that he could be refused service in a shop, etc, etc.

He'd have to be some sort of saint not to be "racist".in those conditions.

All his supposedly racist sounding pronouncements were made in his younger years. I seem to recall him saying in an interview that the Mohammad Ali aged 60 is nothing like the Mohammad Ali aged 30.

Plus his daughter is married to a white man and I haven't heard any complaints from him about that so I really don't think he was racist.

 

Please don't hurt yourself when you dismount that incredibly high horse there.

I never said he was a murderous as the Klan, I said he was just as racist. He embraced the same separatist ideology, just from a different racial perspective. The Nation of Islam was, and is, a black supremacist hate group. I have heard the racist comments right from his mouth. He was a racist.

 

I'm just going to have to say that I don't remember Ali being involved in bombing churches, preventing white people from voting, hanging white people for being white, using scare tactics such as burning crosses in front of houses, dragging white people behind pickup trucks until dead, etc.

So, when you claim Ali was ANYTHING like the Klan, I'm just going to have to point out that your simply could not be any more wrong if you tried.

And, yes, when blacks found it to be an absolute requirement to band together against the rampant white supremacist environment, it certainly did involve strong statements against those who were killing them and blocking them from taking part in society.

 

I wonder if (this goes for black and white or any race), if people stopped race baiting, maybe we could finally move past this racism stuff? I don't think I've ever met a person who was a true "racist" in my life, TBH. Nobody I know that's for sure. It's as if certain "groups" of people want to keep it alive. I grew up in a small town and there was probably only one or two black families in my town, but we all got along fine. Never hear of anyone being racist towards them. I do remember an incident when I was in middle school where the school bully made fun of my friend Bonnie (who was Asian) by making the slanty eyes at her, but he was just a stupid jackass, as are most bullies, who made fun of anyone and everyone.

 

Stop trying to defend racism.

 

I would LURVE nothing more than to stop talking about it. BUT, the right wing keeps it alive, to goad the left into defending the vulnerable. So they can get the white folks to circle their wagons, due to the impending DEMOGRAPHICS.,

 

How does the right wing keep it alive? I'll bet 90% of "race" threads are started by libs. Accusing people of being a racist just for disagreeing with Obama . . . libs. There ARE some problems in the black community that do need to be addressed and talked about. You can't push it under the rug and call racism forever. Some day, we WILL be able to have conversations about these things without being called "racists." The definition of racism has sure been exaggerated. It is beginning to lose all meaning.

 

You can in no way prove that. It's ludicrous to suggest that here.

BTW, how does one define a "race" thread? (Specifically, there is a significant difference between someone discussing cultural/ethnic issues vs. sowing seeds of hatred or separation via bigoted dialogue. So, what are you referring to?)

 

I'm just noting my own observations. I couldn't care less if you agree or not. I'm referring to threads regarding race. I don't read them, but libs are the ones who do all the false accusing of racism, and people are sick and tired of it. Truth!

 

No, because he's dead.

 

Your "observations" don't define reality; I like to remain in the real world, unless I'm creating art or music.

Still, I can respect that you have a mind of your own... but I won't allow myself to become tangled in the same.

Regards.

 

Who asked you and who cares? Maybe I consider your observations insane? What does that mean? Nothing, so if you can't discredit any of my statements, then move along lil doggy!

 

So you don't condemn Hitler?

(Watch this, folks)

 

It's cool. People can think for themselves. I'm not here to change your mind.