Can you condemn Mohammad Ali for his racist views?

Most forum members don't seem to agree with us. They are more concerned about his sports skills than his morality. I look deeper in a person, to their core, to their "soul" (which they can't prove exists, as such, magically surviving our deaths, but you know what I mean.)

 

You've got to be kidding - he was one of the most popular sports figures ever, and with that great power comes great responsibility - responsibility to not spout supremacist racial statements.

 

Your attitude gives leaders like Jesus a pass for just going along with the flawed morality of the time - such as Jesus accepting slavery. Real great people (especially ones who claim to be divine, have the greatest message of all time, and magically know where we go after death, etc.) transcend the barbaric morality of their time - to a timeless morality. Asking to be against slavery is just asking for a timeless person (Jesus) to have a timeless morality, which he didn't have (so he's not really divine, of course.)

 

So Mohamed Ali was an unabashed racist. Undoubtedly a homophobe and a misogynist as well.

But we all overlook that because he was very skilled at beating people senseless.

What am I missing here?

 

I dislike stupidity , ignorance, those who want to incite violence or peddle fear and lies....

Ali was a big man with a big spirit.. conservative and Republican.

 

Didn't know it was physically possible to be racist against a religion. I was under the impression that "racist" meant you were against races, not religious followers.

Again, product of his times and lots of you are quick to bash him for being racist but not the society that allowed him to form those views in the first place. But from some of you, I don't expect any different....

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Is the hypothetical white boxer from a time where skin color meant you were treated as an inferior? Did said boxer witness his people being locked up and met with fire hoses because they dared stand up for their rights?

No? Then your comment is worthless.

 

Ali was a big person.. This may surprise the hatemongers.

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/459540-about-muhammed-ali-reagan-library.html

 

Islam creates, obviously, supremacism - creating a fertile environment for racial supremacism to flourish, arguably as well. Can you condemn the prophet of Islam's supremacism?

Yes, I condemn the Judaeo/Christian society that created those racist views in the first place. But a great man rises above hateful views. Jesus didn't (as he accepted slavery, accepted the killing of gays - or they'd have removed that from the Bible of course.)

 

The "hatemongers" are those that hate their fellow human so incredibly much, that they are perfectly fine with their innocent fellow humans burning, burning, and burning some more simply for picking a different invisible friend in the sky. Now THAT'S hatemongering! Jesus, Mohammad Ali, Mohammad the prophet of Islam, etc., are all hatemongers then.

Modern Secular Humanism, on the other hand, has so little hatred that we can't buy into a hateful system that would send, say, Gandhi, to brutal, savage, torture - unlike Christians and Muslims, who are fine with that - or they'd leave their religion like I did.

Let go of the hatred of non-believers, by rejecting those who taught approval of "hell", and the world will be a far better place.

 

As I mentioned before, the Nation of Islam was a separatist organization. His views reflected the brainwashing that the cult taught in those days. When he renounced them in 1975 he dismissed their teachings as well. This is what the current racists of the right wing refuse to acknowledge.

 

You are spot on.
Yes, Ali was homophobic, too. I've never heard any Muslim, ever, have the moral courage to actually say "look, the prophet of Islam was wrong, dead wrong, when he said to kill gays, I've removed that part from my Islamic texts, because I care about my children enough, love them enough, to do that."
Modern Secular Humanists of course do - so they love their children more than Muslims do, obviously. We won't risk our children hating gays, or killing gays, or committing suicide because some invisible man in the sky says that if they turn out gay that they are "hellbound".

 

I guess that's why he quit the Nation of Islam eventually, not to mention his unwillingess to fight in Vietnam because they did nothing wrong at the time.

 

Have you read the information about Ali from the Reagan Library? He was a far superior man than his wormy detractors.

 

And he was well-known across the world? Is this supposed to take away from what Ali has done?

Really, then explain this:

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingsstate.html

BTW Italians weren't even a major number of immigrants who were lynched so.....

Okay?

 

The singular lynching with the highest total of victims was of Italians.

There's definitely a lot more anti-Italian than anti-Black movies, and TV shows today at least.

Which appears to be okay, just because Italians are considered White.

 

The chart I just linked says differently. Singular vs. every lynching as a whole are two different things.

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Not all the way through but this is a good read, regardless.

 

In 1891, eleven Italians in New Orleans, Louisiana, were lynched for their alleged role in the murder of police chief David Hennessy. It was the largest mass lynching in U.S. history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_14,_1891_lynchings

 

This one event, however horrific it was, does not negate the fact that blacks were the main victims of lynching in America as a whole.

 

Of course he was right to refuse to go to war. Fuc* the state and its wars, let people live in peace. If they need soldiers there are mercenaries for hire.

 

You clearly can't take the moral stand of condemning it's prophet for his supremacism.

 

Mohammed Ali is dead and suffered for decades from Parkinson's disease. Please allow the man to rest in peace.

 

You seem to think that supremacism is only with the Nation of Islam group, and not with the Qur'an itself. Please read the Qur'an, then get back to us.

 

Refusing to fight a war against people who really weren't trying to kill us is enough of a moral stand on its own.

 

In other words, "let's continue to allow racism to flourish by not calling out racism when we see it."
I'm. Calling. It. Out.

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You keep proving me right. I'm fascinated why you can't summon the moral courage (you seem like a great person in your other posts) to condemn the prophet of Islam for his supremacism. I'm also saddened, of course. It's like when good, decent, loving Germans couldn't condemn Hitler, they just went along with it.

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He's also a beloved role model to untold millions of people....and we can't let racists be role models. Modern Secular Humanism believes in equality too much to let that go unchallenged. It's our love for humanity and justice that drives us. Your inability to condemn him for his blatant racism speaks volumes about your priorities in life. I think a change is in order, my friend.