Can you condemn Mohammad Ali for his racist views?

Muhammad Ali was wrong to defy the draft.He payed a big price.
Joe Lewis volunteered and did his duty.Some insist Joe Lewis was
The Greatest.Lewis,died near broke.Ended up pandering for money
as he got old.I'm not sure if it was due to gambling.
And no one is gonna say that Muhammad Ali was anywhere near the
gentleman that Joe Lewis was.From Cassius Clay to Muhammad Ali, his was
the Mouth of the South.The North and wherever he boasted.One could make the case
that Howard Cosell made Ali.Or Angelo Dundee.Or Roone Arledge and his fantastic
- Wide World of Sports - where Major fights were shown on LIVE TV for Free.

 

Ok, I'll quote Ali, and agree with him on that, basically: "....all the plunder and enslavement and domination of my people by white Christians in the name of white supremacy?”
White Christians have, due to the overall supremacism in their bible - it approves of slavery, for example - been incredibly racist over the years, including self-proclaimed Christian and racist Donald Trump.

 

No, his work against racism in the USA is a very important part of his contribution.

 

A racist against racism. Now I've heard everthing. Kind of like Christians Against Christ.

 

I think Muhammad Ali did reform his old ways of talking aggressively as if
a member in good standing with The Black Panther Party.
It's hard to gauge.Because a lot of what Ali did was baiting.Or Talking
Trash in order to get a rise out of his opponent and also the public.
Cassius Clay's Mom worked as a cleaning lady { domestic } for some
well-to-do familes in Lousiville { Brown Forman board members ? }.
Eventually this helped Clay in his need to get backing for his boxing career.
But the " Louisville Lip " had both a mind and a set of loose lips,all his own.
I'm not sure as to his inner self and what he really thought about Whitey.

 

Why do you want to condemn that which he names as an oppressive force when many of your posts seem to agree with he says???????

Instead, your focus is on someone who fought against that force .

 

More racism is obviously not the way to fight racism.

 

The issue wasn't just him.

It was the racial inequality to which white America was subjecting African Americans.

What was required to make progress did involve African Americans standing up in opposition to that racism. Ali was one important contributor.

I think you should do some reading. You seem to totally miss what was going on in America at that time.

 

I'm a little baffled as to what Force you are referring to.You mean Muhammad Ali
was overly concerned with White Racism as it existed in the 60's and beyond.
His mom worked as a domestic { meant she was employed and payed the
going rate } and also her son used those Wealthy White people in Louisville
to help his career.His name { Cassius Clay } was from his Father { Cassius Marcellus Clay Sr.}
Named after a 19TH Century Republican politician and staunch Abolitionist.A White Guy whose
father { Green Clay } was one of the wealthiest planters and slaveholders in Kentucky.
So am I to believe that Cassius Clay who was named after a White Politician
who fought against his own Father on the issue of owning slaves has some kind
of internal qualm growing up over the matter of the White Man.

 

So Jews should have been racist against Germans in 1940, as such. No, that would be the wrong way. Ali was a racial (black) supremacist, not just, say, "bravely fighting against the oppression of whites".
He said ‘Black people should marry their own women.’....clearly a racial supremacist - partly because of Islam.

 

So explain how the Black Panthers helped move the Black man forward.
Or for that matter Angela Davis { out fomenting again } or
H.Rap Brown " If America don't come around,we're gonna burn it down. "

 

It's sad but predictable that there will always be a smattering of pissants who emerge to sully a great man's name with their emissions.

 

What isn't fair and should be debated is the way Muhammad Ali made a lot
of stupid,even racial comments in his career and has been given a pass.
An almost total pass.Probably because once he came down with Parkinson's
he hadn't the ability to talk tough as in his hayday.
That needs to be debated.No man can know for sure what's in another
man's heart.But we do have their words and deeds.I think Ali demonstrated
by his words and deeds as he grew into old age,that he meant well.
That is the standard that we are to believe God uses.

 

Except Hitler died whilst committing genocide. Should we hold you responsible for something you said in your 20s when you're 74?

 

Then you are in fact batty. Atheism+ is nothing but a SJW take over of Atheism, which is being committed against Secular Humanism now too. Here's how it works with you as far as I can tell by this thread "agree with me or you're an intellectual invalid". This is the mind of a SJW, who are predominately Marxist. So, you might want to re-examine your supposed beliefs.

 

In some ways it actually is (e.g. group economics).

Btw, I challenge you to host a thread condemning white supremacy and all its tools.

You'll be a whole lot credible if a "Modern Secular Humanist" could attack the very thing Ali was reacting to. 'Cause so far, it's looking like another excuse to dump on a GREAT Black Man after he's passed and not the system that some are still fighting against now!

 

I love black people, and am not a racist like Ali, or the KKK, or the Bible. I condemn white racists as well. They are bad.

I just with that Jesus had the moral courage to have, in the last 2000 years (allegedly), spoken up against slavery, which would have been a great help, because whites used Jesus' lack of condemning the approval of slavery in the Bible as a reason to keep slaves and keep blacks down. Too bad Jesus wasn't as against slavery as you and I are.

 

Condemn it, sure. But you can't even bring yourself to do that. You can't condemn Ali for say, for example, that blacks should marry w/in their own race, can you? I can. I can condemn racism.

 

Believe me it makes sense when you see the treatment black people were getting during his lifetime.

 

See you're confusing yourself. There's a difference between condemning what someone has said, and condemning that person. You're not asking people to condemn what he said (which I don't think would get much resistance), but the man himself.

 

This is an odd way to duck a challenge, especially since you, a "Modern Secular Humanist" invoke Jesus after dumping all over the Christian religion 😂. Not that I mind those condemnations haha.

 

Sure, let's just give people a moral pass, and not try to hold people accountable for their immoral actions.....jeez!

 

No it doesn't make sense.If you bothered to get my drift.Cassius Clay's
Mom and himself were treated very well by the whites in Louisville.
We had a black maid when I grew up in Cleveland.My mom picked her up at the
rapid transit and treated her with respect.We had a white maid before her.
I never saw any Racism in my neighborhood.But it turned into a Jewish
neighborhood with small enclaves of Gentiles.The high school was 95% Jewish.
I went to Private school.The Jews treated gentiles very different than they treated
their fellow Jews.Jewish shop owners made Gentiles wait and then kinda acted
like they don't have whatever yer looking for.Then when a Jewish customer walked
in it was all smiles and a helping hand.Most all Jews in my neighborhood acted like that
towards Gentiles.Plus jews never did a lick of chores outside.They stayed inside
all the time.Gentiles were out cutting lawn or washing the car or painting the
house,raking leaves.Jews in my neighborhood were never seen outside.
As a paper boy I had around 30 customers.Every one but 2 or 3 were jewish.
I got a total of 2 Christmas tips for Christmas as a paper boy.

 

Yes, white racism is bad. But religion is worse. It's a higher priority.

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Is a racist "great"?

 

Keeping people accountable is also quite different from condemnation. You're also conflating words for actions, what did Ali do? Did he commit acts of violence based on race? Or did he just say some racist things when he was in his 20s? Look, I know for SJW types, words are the same as violence, but that's not factual.

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So we should accept anecdotal evidence?