Canada vs the USA

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Canada is very similar to the USA.

    English speaking, watch the same media, frequent the USA, lots of trade and tourism.

    Meanwhile Toronto has 1.8 million people and 46 murders. Lots of minorities.

    Montreal also has 1.8 million people. 14% black and hispanic.

    only 23 murders.

    why such a difference between large American and Canadian cities?

    is it their gun laws? is it their respect for life? is it their socio-economic equality?

    do we need to mimic Canada's gun laws to match their murder rate? would it at least help?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Colder weather.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Boston and NY and Chicago and Detroit don't have cold weather?

    LOL!!!
     
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    no constitutional rights concerning firearms. white Americans and white canadians have about the same rate of firearms violence though
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ron, Toronto had 73 murders in 2016, resulting in a murder rate of 4/100,000.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Toronto

    By contrast, Oregon had a murder rate of 2.8/100,000 in 2016, and there are a lot of guns and gun owners in this state.
     
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    Cops in Chicago brace for warm weekends when all the shooting and crime skyrockets.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    comparing a city to a state, is silly.

    Portland OR has a murder rate of 4.2
     
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    So basically the same as Toronto then.

    Why does a city full of liberal gun haters have a murder rate of 4.2 I wonder.
     
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    I live in Oregon Ron, the few Murders here are committed by Minorities.
     
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    Perhaps,
    Still, Oregon is shall issue and more people carry than ever before.
    Not as bad as Seattle in any case.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    meanwhile Toronto has lots of racial minorities and a very low murder rate when compared to American cities.
     
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    Didn't you just compare it to Portland, OR?

    Was it very low compared to Portland, OR?

    I didn't get that impression.
     
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    I can't answer your questions but your comparison doesn't look Apples to Apples.

    My research shows that Montreal and Toronto blacks make just under 9% of the population for both cities. Compare that to Chicago where blacks make up 32% of the population.

    Blacks in Canada might be less inclined to self destruct...maybe they don't feel obligated or center around anti-white....which I think is an issue in urban black America. Our history of slavery here in us taints the culture in black communities.

    It might be good to compare the status of the family for Canadian Blacks...is 85% brought up in broken families or raised by single mothers?

    I'm all for learning from Canada if the state of Canadian Blacks are better. But sacrificing my right to protect myself or my family is not an option and not the problem.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Toronto has a large black/Hispanic population, and a much lower murder rate than most American cities
     
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    No...it doesn't according to my googling. Perhaps you can link something.

    And I dont know why you quoted me and then ignored my points.
     
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    Miami has a murder rate of 17 per 100,000 and is in one of the most pro-gun states in the nation.

    In contrast, NYC has a murder rate of only 3.8 per 100,000. It has strict gun control and plenty of minorities.
     
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    NYC also had periods of high rates and numbers of murder and NYC has had idiotic gun control laws since the Irish Mafia days and the Sullivan law
     
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    Same minority crime breakdown.

    Also, New York City has over 30,000 police officers and is pro-active in minority communities.......
     
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    http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/new-york-city-population/

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/miami-population/

    Miami has a higher percentage of white people than NYC (if you consider people like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio to be white). A lot of white Cubans have immigrated to Miami. NYC has a higher percentage of black people. But you're trying to blame violent crime on minorities?
     
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    we are the safest big city in the USA, partially thanks to our strong gun laws and enforcement measures
     
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    Perhaps because sadly minorities commit most of the crimes in
    America ?

    Prison populations are mostly compromised of minorities.....

    By the way, I am Latino and Hispanic, most Hispanics do not consider themselves White,
    And do constitute a large proportion of Criminals, although a smaller segment of the pie compared to Blacks, and closer to Asians which are the smallest percentage of Criminals.
     
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    Toronto has lots of minorities and lower murder rate than most American cities
     
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    New York City Criminals have vast unfettered access to inexpensive illegal firearms.
    There is also a vast paid informant network that accounts for putting criminals behind bars.
     
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    Toronto has many organised Gangs, perhaps they just do not kill as much as just punching out their Rivals...
     

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