CDC Warns It Expects Coronavirus to Spread in U.S

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  1. Starjet

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    Big deal. No child under 8 has died. No healthily adult has died, all deaths are the old, the immune compromised, or the dying.

    it’s a cold viruses. We are having a godd damnn panic attack over a puny cold virus. Start washing your hands, stop digging in your ass, and quit eating your buggers, and regain some perspective and continue living your lives as a rational beings, not hysterical “jeepers-creepers”.
     
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    Just to be clear, I only dig from outside the pants in a weggie emergency..

    What’s the death rate in America the past 72 hours? 20,000 total deaths and just 6 from this... 0.0003%

    hardly the end of the world as we know it..
     
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    If you aren’t old and sick, this virus is nothing more than a mild flu.

    It’s the flu, you fools, not the bubonic plague. And it’s here to stay.

    Infectious disease doctor at Johns Hopkins: Quit panicking, be rational.
     
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    wrong there are healthy adult and kids died, do a search. true cold virus kill more, but if you took vaccination early, its much safer, with COV19, the mortality rate is 3% at least, compare to 0.1% of flu. also cold don't kill you, flu virus does, so get your fact straight. there is no vaccination for cov19 either.
     
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    The numbers are what they are. The number of deaths from Corona in the US is incredibly low. Hopefully it stays that way.

    The tornadoes in TN killed way more in minutes :(

    I’m sure somehow they are both Trumps fault though.
     
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    We have been fighting the flu for 100 years - what do you think mortality from the Coronavirus will look like in 2120?
     
  7. Starjet

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    Hmm.


    https://www.businessinsider.com/no-children-under-10-died-from-coronavirus-2020-2



    I showed you mine, show me yours. Tell me, how many?

    Its a mild disease with a low mortality rate, as contagious as the flu, but less than the measles.

    And more: Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.
    https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/cold-guide/common_cold_causes

    In essence, this virus has always been around--most likely so mild, missed--can cause cold and flu symptoms, and create respiratory stress leading to pneumonia in the elderly and immune-compromised-- is never going away until they find a cure for viruses, as Dr. Alexander Fleming did with penicillin to kill bacteria--has a mortality rate close to if not lower than influenza (In China, the mortality rate outside the Wuhan area is .007, or .07%

    This is nothing more than fear-mongering to sell advertising:
    China's coronavirus could have same death rate as Spanish flu outbreak in the UK (Wrong) https://news.yahoo.com/chinas-coron...ndemic-that-killed-50-m-people-151608803.html Not even close.


    I am prohibited from stating what I really think of your criticisms, but it would trip the monitors.

    I do my research.
     
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  8. FlamingLib

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    It's not the flu. It's a member of the SARS family. That's much, much worse. Why do you think everyone is panicking over this but not the H1N1 flu? Because we know how to deal with flu's, even bad ones. This is something else.
     
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    80,000 Americans died of the flu last winter. Get your flu shot.
    That’s more than the number killed in traffic collisions, from gun violence, or from opioid overdoses. (And I might add, COVID-19
    https://www.vox.com/2018/9/27/17910318/flu-deaths-2018-epidemic-outbreak-shot

    Link it.

    For deaths with underlying pneumonia and influenza causes during 1976--2007 in the United States, the models estimated an annual overall average of 6,309 (range: 961 in 1986--87 to 14,715 in 2003--04) influenza-associated deaths (Table 1). For these underlying causes, the average annual rate of influenza-associated death was 2.4 deaths per 100,000 (range: 0.4--5.1).

    Among persons aged <19 years, an estimated annual average of 97 (range: 41 in 1981--82 to 234 in 1977--78) influenza-associated deaths with underlying pneumonia and influenza causes occurred (Table 1). The average annual rate of influenza-associated deaths for this age group was 0.1 deaths per 100,000 persons (range: 0.1--0.3). Among adults aged 19--64 years, an estimated annual average of 666 (range: 173 in 1981--82 to 1,459 in 2004--05) influenza-associated deaths with underlying pneumonia and influenza causes occurred. The average annual rate of influenza-associated deaths for this age group was 0.4 deaths per 100,000 persons (range: 0.1--0.8). Among adults aged ≥65 years, an estimated annual average of 5,546 (range: 673 in 1978--79 to 13,245 in 2003--04) influenza-associated deaths with underlying pneumonia and influenza causes occurred. The average annual rate of influenza-associated deaths for this age group was 17.0 deaths per 100,000 (range: 2.4--36.7). Deaths among persons aged ≥65 years accounted for 87.9% of the overall estimated average annual influenza-associated deaths with underlying pneumonia and influenza causes.

    For deaths with underlying respiratory and circulatory causes (including pneumonia and influenza causes) during 1976--2007, the models estimated an annual U.S. average overall of 23,607 (range: 3,349 in 1986--87 to 48,614 in 2003--04) influenza-associated deaths (Table 2). For these underlying causes, the average annual rate of influenza-associated death was 9.0 deaths per 100,000 (range: 1.4--16.7).

    Among persons aged <19 years, an estimated annual average of 124 (range: 57 in 1981--82 to 197 in 1977--78) influenza-associated deaths with underlying respiratory and circulatory causes occurred (Table 2). The average annual rate of influenza-associated deaths for this age group was 0.2 deaths per 100,000 persons (range: 0.1--0.3). Among adults aged 19--64 years, an estimated annual average of 2,385 (range: 504 in 1981--82 to 4,752 in 2003--04) influenza-associated deaths with underlying respiratory and circulatory causes occurred. The average annual rate of influenza-associated deaths for this age group was 1.5 deaths per 100,000 persons (range: 0.4--3.1). Among adults aged ≥65 years, an estimated annual average of 21,098 (range: 2,344 in 1986--87 to 43,727 in 2003--04) influenza-associated deaths with underlying respiratory and circulatory causes occurred. The average annual rate of influenza-associated deaths for this age group was 66.1 deaths per 100,000 (range: 8.0--121.1). Deaths among persons aged ≥65 years accounted for 89.4% of the overall estimated average annual influenza-associated deaths with underlying respiratory and circulatory causes.
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5933a1.htm


    Your estimate appears skewed a little.
     
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    The problem isn't the mortality rate as much as it is the fact that much of our population is old and sick. 15% will get a severe form and 6% will get a critical form of this. If infections aren't spread out, they're going to all happen at once and overwhelm our system.
     
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    Now some good news. The Chinese doctors are fighting the Coronavirus by giving people large doses of Vitamin C intravenously. I have a chemical imbalance, so whenever I feel weak, tired or sick, I would have to increase my Vitamin C. I'm now taking 10 thousand units a day. Fresh organic green drinks are great also. They can knock out a cold with one shot.

    I always wondered if patients were fed intravenously during the Spanish flu if so many would have died. I have a feeling that most died during the season when fresh fruits and vegetables weren't available.
     
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    Rule of thumb. Do not listen to the politicians or political media on this one. Our heath professionals are your guide and that includes our government health agencies.
     
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    Here is the first report I’ve seen that agrees with your fatality rate. Previously, WHO reported the fatality rate as 2, WHO is now saying 3.4. Still, that means the survival rate is 96.6. I’ll take those odds any day of the week.

    However, it does not change my conclusion that COVIX is a form of mild flu which can lead to pneumonia in the elderly and in those whose immune system is compromised, like me. Additionally, it present a very low risk to infants, children, teens, and healthy adults.

    All in all, it is still just a flu-type illness, not the bubonic plague.

    I’m not worried, and I’m in a high risk group, should the unlikely happen and I contract COVID-19.
     
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    A good objective update by medical expert.

    Mortality rate falling—USA testing is too few and too slow because of government bureaucracy and lack of free market health care—and the elderly and the immune-compromised are still the highest risk.

    Keep breathing, keep living, keep dreaming, stop worrying, start acting rationally.


    As an aside query: Do the dying really care if it’s an old flu virus killing them, or a new respiratory virus?

    And a further aside, of all those dead from COVID-19, how many would have died otherwise from the flu?

    The thrust of the scientific, medical, and economic resources need to be directed at finding a cure for viruses, not locking people up in cities, cruise ships, and warehouses.
     
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    most people are immune to seasonal flu, flu has mortality rate of less than 1%. COV19 however is new, higher mortality rate + no known treatment for it unlike flu. this mean when people get COV19, they get sick and other virus can also take advantage of lower immune system. bubonic plague also has flu symptom the only reason it kill so many was because it happen in 13th century.
     
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    There is no cure for any virus except one that I know of, Xofluza. It stops some flu virus strains from replicating. Replication is how all viruses function. The flu vaccine is prevention, not a cure.

    So, continue developing the vaccine, but realize that the true solution is to stop the replication. And one day a brilliant medical mind will discover it. Until then, wash your hands, and practice good hygiene and sanitation, and quit squandering precious time and resources quarantining cites and cruise ships, canceling events and gatherings, banning air travel and ostracizing nations. It is a waste of time and money, and won't solve the problem. COVID-19 his here to stay...and it needs a better name.

    Further update from WHO: Virus is deadlier than the seasonal flu but does not transmit as easily, W.H.O. says.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...rate-than-the-flu/ar-BB10IyBF?ocid=spartanntp
     
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    This would appear to be genuine even though reported in the Sun. I heard about it in the video I watched last night and it is also reported in the Telegraph and the Times. It is though early research and may have changes later. The belief is that there are two strains of Coronavirus and that the first strain is the more aggressive. It apparently is responsible for 70% of infections. I had been wondering why Italy was having so many more deaths than South Korea. Possibly this is the reason. They could have different strains. There has been suggestions that may be the case for Iran too. Not too good for Europe if this is true as that seems to be where most of their cases come from.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11096171/coronavirus-mutated-two-strains-aggressive/
     
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    Further info on WHO’s high mortality rate—it’s bogus, cherry-picking, BS data.


    3.4%. That’s the global coronavirus mortality rate, according to the World Health Organization, which also said seasonal flu kills far fewer than 1% of infected people. Officials from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases say, however, that the Covid-19 death rate could be below 1%. Complicating this calculation is that there’s no clear way to estimate how many people may be infected beyond the confirmed cases. The New York Times reported that the WHO’s mortality rate does not factor in mild COVID-19 cases that don’t require medical attention⁠—

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...d-19-coronavirus-hints-at-how-it-evolved/amp/
     
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    FAKE NEWS. :) being advanced by promoter Andy Saul the "mega-vitamin man."
     
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    Which is more likely to kill you, flu or corona virus? According to John’s Hopkins, the flu.

    “...according to doctors at Johns Hopkins, there’s a far more prevalent virus at hand — influenza.

    “As of Feb. 26, 2020, the flu is showing much more of an impact on Americans than COVID-19,” Dr. Lisa Maragakis, senior director of infection prevention at Johns Hopkins, said in an article explaining key characteristics of the two viruses.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article240703431.html

    Symptoms:

    Flu: fever, cough, body aches, fatigue, vomiting, diarrhea
    Corona: fever, cough, body aches, fatigue, vomiting, diarrhea

    Transmission:

    Flu: person to person contact
    Coronavirus: person to person contact; also possibly airborne

    Treatment:
    Flu: antibiotics don’t work; treat the symptoms
    Coronavirus: antibiotics don’t work; treat the symptoms

    Prevention:
    Flu:
    washing hands; avoiding sick people and spread of germs
    Coronavirus: washing hands; avoiding sick people and spread of germs

    Cause:
    Flu:
    Strains of the influenza virus

    Coronavirus: The 2019 coronavirus, now called severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, or SARS-CoV-2

    Vaccination:
    Flu:
    Yes
    Coronavirus: No (in progress)

    Infections:
    Flu:
    1 billion globally
    Coronavirus: More than 82,000 globally

    Deaths:
    Flu:
    291,000 to 646,000 globally
    Coronavirus: Roughly 2,800 globally

    And that’s the reality. Stop the hysteria. This is not an infectious armageddon.
     
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    There is some research that shows Vitamin D can help the immune system with its battle against viral infections. There is some suggestion that vitamin D, which occurs naturally in the sun’s rays, might be the reason why viral infections die off in the summer and reappear in the fall.
     
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    Increased ultraviolet radiation in the Summer months.
     
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    If someone found a way to stop cell replication, I think that would be the end of all life on Earth. W.H.O have stated that the virus "may not" transmit as easily, not "does not", but even that seems strange given the rapid transmission.
     
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