Challenge "the quran"

Interesting challenge


There is a surah, that if anyone can improve the quran, then write it.

It is a point of quran (islam) that if anyone can write it better, it it welcomed.


I kind of like the idea.

My question is; could 'we the people' do better than the capabilities of over 1000 yrs ago?


As for fatihah's emotional attachment to islam, all any needs to know is that muhammad never used a quran. He was illiterate and did not write a word, so quran did not even exist as a book during his whole life.

Proof that the book is a weeeeee bit whacked is muhammad describes his own death and burial.

But at least the theological literature offers the challenge!

 

As far as poetry goes, how about Shakespeare? And as far as ethical teaching, well, just about anything is as good or better. I propose the Havamal, written by Norse peasents in the name of their fictional god Odin. I therefore put the Odinite Havamal up against the Islamic Qu'ran.

PS, there are historical records indicating that the Qu'ran has been tampered with. there were qu'rans with alternate readings burned, the 2nd surah is reported to have at one point been longer than it is today, so I suppose the secret to "inspiration" for the Qu'ran is a good editor.

 

Response: Yet your ducking and dodging to answer the challenge yourself confirms your denial to the fact that the challenge that proves that the Qur'an s the true word of Allah is still valid.

 

Even if no inconsistencies could be show in the Qur'an, which I seriously doubt, this wouldn't prove it was true. It would only prove that the writer was consistent.
"The House on Pooh Corner" is consistent. Does that make it true?

 

you can't polish a turd.

 

Response: As the challenge states, the challenege is to find discrepancy, not inconsistency. The qur'an is free of any error. So the fact that it is free of error is what makes it true.

 

Response: Nowhere in the entire challenge does it state to improve the Qur'an, nor can you quote and prove otherwise. Thus your weak strawman confirms your denial to the fact that the challeneg that probes the qur'an is the true word of Allah is still valid. For if it was not, you would surely have proven so by answering the challenge. Yet you did not, because you clearly can not. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

No.
It shows it to be consistent, if one were to believe there were no errors. I doubt that, but am not arguing it.
There are no "errors" in many books. It doesn't make them true.

 

Response: The statement makes absolutely no sense. For the very definition of true, is free of errors. So the Qur'an is true, proven by the fact that it has no errors.

 

You have been indoctrinated well.
If you understood the basic tenents of logic, you would understand my post. A lack of errors does not equate to truth. I'm not going to go into a Logic 101 seminar here. Take a course. You'll understand.
I am quite sure you will have a tough time proving that the book is free of error in any case.

 

To say anything is actually free of error is a bold and somewhat immature mistake. Every book, rather fiction or transcribed was all done by man. Even in telling facts, imagination will run wild; rather it be on purpose or accident. This is wear all faith based texts fall under just that, faith. There is no true way to actually verify what you are reading, if you believe it is on a spiritual level. You have to choose for yourself if you either believe or disbelieve what you are reading. It is why it is called blind faith. Even science has instances where work that is published is labeled fact only to be called back as an error years down the road. It is blind faith, to actually challenge it and call out others is something else. Who are you as a person to make others prove what they do and don't see. Are you so shaken in your faith and beliefs that you have to do the same to others? Find different ways to discuss your own insecurities, planting them in others is evil.

 

Response: To the contrary, it is rather you failing to understand common sense and simple english. For the very definition of true, is free of errors, as common sense and simple basic english tells you. I'm not going to explain to you common sense and simple english, and your deficiency in both does not change the fact that the Qur'an is true.

 

add links or quotes that can assist others

caliph have haddith, like torah has talmud

and 'yes' there were other versions but more have been destroyed.

if you have one to link up too, others can observe the material.

 

Response: The qur'an is not the work of man, proven so by the Challenge presented in the OP, supported by the scientific method. Thus the Qur'an is the proven true word of Allah.

 

Interesting, I'm off to the library this afternoon. Give me the titles of these studies so that I can read them and validate and verify what you just said. I've done many studies on theology and ideology, and I have not come across solid scientific fact that you just stated existed. Who knows, it could offer something for me to put in my thesis.

 

the best post on the thread!!!!!!




Knowledge evolves and people know it. Idiots can accept 'the evolution of knowledge' but like on this thread, trying to use technology from the progression of knowledge, to argue against fact.


science (by nature) is objective

wignuts are subjective morons (must hold theological beliefs over their own conscious; actually lie to themselves and others, and call it 'faith')

 

Response: The title of the study is called "test the evidence". The OP has a test, and when tested, it confirms that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah. You disagree? Take the challenge and prove differently.

 

What about 'Every human must die ? '

Jesus was human and the quran seems to indicate that Jesus didn't die.

"And they did not kill him, for certain.

Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise."

 

Allah, per quran, is not who taught muhammad the 'songs.' In song and chanting, the quran sits in many memories. Gabriel is supposedly who did the gabbing to muhammad over a 27 yr period i think it was. I see it as he was rich and illiterate but interested in the variety of view points and paid a bunch of gabby people to share what they knew and then he combined it into a comprehension of literacy and knowledge, for the time (quran).

That is my cleaning opinion.

The LIAR that claims magic and miracles is how muhammad learned what he did, have swallowed too much jinn.

So in clarity, being honest with the foundation of fact over miracle is who can be found articulating with sincerity.

 

whatcha writing about? (your thesis)

 

that is bull

mankind 'created' the word, all ah them

be fair and honest, or you will lose!

 

Response: No where does it say in the entire Qur'an that Jesus will not die. Although Jesus is still alive, no where does the Qur'an say the he will remain alive and not die.

 

Jesus is Human,no ?

23:12-16

And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay.
Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.
Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah , the best of creators.Then indeed, after that you are to die.Then indeed you, on the Day of Resurrection, will be resurrected.

I gave you the verse

 

ie..... improve the 'word' of 'god'....................?

You and mankind is 100 times beyond the 'theology' of religious beliefs; because knowledge has evolved. I mean, muhammad could have been 'hooked on phonics' and wrote his own quran, had he lived in todays age.

but the FACT that HE did not WritE da words, you gotttttta get over.

i deny the lies.
calling me weak is like calling muhammad a punk.

Measure yourself to weak not me.

a 'god' dont write. name one that has.

All ah us are mankind. We WRITE words. Your are tapping on a computer with more capability than moses, jesus, muhammad, darwin and einstein ever had combined.

all ah us on this site are with an almost unlimited capability of conveying knowledge, well beyond any torah, bible, quran, sankrit... etc it.....

What you need is to hold onto integrity before belief. You know when you do wrong. Dont do it.

Dont mislead when is not true. Otherwise you are going against 'all ah us'.....

tomorrow is a new year................ Learn to believe with an intent to learn.

 

please remove time limitation on my editing capabilities