Chicago 2017: Homicide, Gun Control, LEO Gone Fetal And The DOJ

You can do that at home. Maybe you've heard of women? Much more entertaining. I think leaving the computer at home would be an excellent choice.

 

No great beaches in my town. But thanks anyway

 

Meanwhile in Chicago: Two girls ages 11 and 12 shot in the head. The 11 year old is not expected to survive. Both were "unintended targets." With plenty of time on the shot clock there are already 4 dead for what accounts to a slow summer weekend. The homicide clearance rate for the year is in the low single digits. The cops have gone fetal and letting the inmates run the asylum. But of course Rahm and company would rather be a sanctuary city.

 

The cops would be able to clear more cases if they could rely on national registration run by the ATF

 

Since none of the firearms are registered to the shooters and the police don't even have the firearms used in the shootings, there's no way to use a registry to solve any of these homicides.

Besides, what % of guns would actually be registered if some new law required it? Ask Connecticut and New York how their registration requirements went.

 

And you know this just how considering your vast knowledge as a former LEO? Oh, wait you've said this many time before. Get new material.

 

National gun registration would give homicide units the tools they need to catch these criminals.

 

How?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/291304/death-long-gun-registry-john-r-lott-jr-gary-mauser

 

You have nothing remotely resembling proof on the matter. Considering that the bangers now possess arsenals and instead of discarding guns are now recycling them to different locales, you don't have much to stand on.

 

Long guns? Crimes are committed with pistols. That is where you would see the benefit

 

Proof is not required to pass a law. Many countries register guns and this helps law enforcement. Why do you want to tie the hands of homicide cops?

 

The nature of gun crime is likely to be different and even the dumbest of criminals is not likely to use a traceable weapon. But you must be talking about countries like LMAO Mexico.

 

Are you saying homicide units would not want this tool? That they would refuse to use the information? Lol

 

According to the National Review article, handgun registration in Canada also haven't been shown to solve crimes. You keep ignoring two important points: one, guns aren't typically left at the scene of the homicide, so there's no link between gun and crime, and two, there's no registry, so there's no link from gun to owner. Even with a registry, which will never happen, there's no link from shooter to gun.

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So you're saying that lawful gun owners would scramble to register their guns in order to help the cops?

 

When such information is useless why would they want to. In fact it might even clutter up the investigation.

 

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59764882/MAP_Illinois_WebRelease_2016.pdf

11 states have a homicide clearance rate of 75% or higher, including 2 with a 100% or better clearance rate. Only one of those eleven states can be described as having strict gun control laws, and most of them would fall into the "lax" gun control law status.

Maybe Illinois' and Chicago's problem is Illinois and Chicago.

Also, there are 200,000 guns stolen each year. With about 8k-10k handgun homicides a year, and with the gun rarely left at the scene anyway, simple statistical analysis would tell you that a registry just isn't going to be materially useful in clearing homicides, especially since other states are very, very good at it without a registry now.

 

A national registry can happen. Anything can happen. The ATF and homicide units is currently hamstrung in its ability to do its job. Why would anyone be against giving them the tools they need to do their job.

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75% is good enough for you? Really? You set the bar very low then

 

National registration is of no use if the firearms that were used in the commission of the crime are not or cannot be recovered. Nor is it of any use if the serial number has been obliterated, thus rendering the firearm completely untraceable.

The nation of Canada implemented a national registry of all rifles and shotguns within the country, claiming that it would help police officers solve crimes. After many years of experimentation they found that the registry failed to be the crucial and determining factor in solving even a single crime within their country. This was coupled with the registry costing billions of dollars simply to maintain, and it was bogged down with numerous factual errors and useless data. It was for these reasons that they terminated the registry, and deleted all of the data and records it utilized.

 

Long rifles? What a waste of time. HANDGUNS!

 

Pray tell how so? How does being able to identify the last known legal owner of a firearm, prove who may have used it in the commission of a crime?

Law enforcement could also benefit from no longer being required to abide by the bill of rights in the united states constitution. They could solve significantly more crimes if they were allowed to subject suspects to torture until they confessed to committing one crime or another, and then it would simply be case closed.

Simply because something benefits law enforcement does not mean that should be the reason for it being implemented.

 

The point remains that a national registry has been proven conclusively as serving absolutely no use to law enforcement. It did nothing but waste billions of dollars in taxpayer money, and give a false sense of security to the uninformed.

 

Many countries use a national registration effectively

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National registration is the same as torture? Hilarious

 

Then show them. Give us a list of these countries that utilize their national registries of firearms to solve firearm-related crimes being committed.

The claim made on the part of yourself was that national registries help law enforcement when it comes to solving crime.

The point being made is that simply because something may benefit law enforcement, does not in any way mean it is something that should be implemented.

Do you disagree? If anything at all can benefit law enforcement, should it be implemented, regardless of the potential for negative consequences it possesses?

 

Not to mention power tool + 5 mins + gun = untraceable weapon.

That's all thats needed to defeat any system.

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We've also had ballistic databases like CoBIS that cost millions of dollars and were complete flops.

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I like how you want to repeat the same process while expecting different results.

Pretty telling.

 

The EU requires registration of firearms and has a MUCH lower gun homicide rate than we do.

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/eu.php