"China Does Not Have the Ability to Challenge the U.S."

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    You do know that both South Korea and Japan have similar filters, right?
     
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    Didn't know this thread was about them, but where's the source?
     
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    China only allegedly has "stealth" capabilities. The extent of their systems is unknown.

    As a previous poster mentioned, the CSS-4 isn't much of a threat, as we could knock out the C2 (albeit more difficult than in Libya).

    The CSS-9 Mod2 is a threat based mostly on it's mobility.

    Their systems as a whole, are still inferior and outdated. While they are making great strides, it will be quite a long time before they can compete with the US militarily.
     
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    China's fall will bring the world down with it; 2 trillion in reserves? No country can truly match the damage China can do to the world market— aside from the US.
     
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    The only challenger is the US...
    The US, which China practically owns.
     
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    China holds 25% of our securities. That doesn't equate to them "owning us".

    Japan holds 20%.
     
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    If they stopped trading with us, all products we buy every day would skyrocket in price, I wasn't referring to the debt aspect of ownership. But if China ever decided to pull out and stop trading, we would never be able to support ourselves. We're a service based economy and they are a product based economy that supplies our hard goods. They own us in that we could never extricate ourselves from them.
     
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    Indeed, my apologies. Many people believe China owns most of our debt, therefore "owning the USofA", and I assumed (yes, I know the addage) that you were referring to this, due to a lack of elaboration on your statement of "china owns the US".
     
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    According to them. Chinas economy is a pinzi scheme and one day it will collapse.
     
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    The world economy is dependent on China for growth; that was stated in Davos.
     
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    Uh huh. Anyway, the world economy is based on all major economies. They dont teach globalization to commies these days?
     
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    And yet trillions of derivatives and futures are based solely on Chinese bonds, growth, inflation, and demand. All of those 'major economies' agreed that the world's near-term economic growth depended on China.
     
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    China has to have a market to sell cheap crap to
     
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    Actually, China makes that stuff. It has a market to sell resources and finished goods. China's the middle of the line— if that collapses it all collapses. Poorer countries who rely on high resource prices to fuel their economies will collapse. More advanced economies who require exports and manufacturing to support their service industries will fall.
     
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    Of course, China also does not have almost daily rocket attacks on their cities by a neighbor. A neighbor that wants to be independent, but will not even recognize their right to exist.

    And no, they just take somebody they do not like, and put a bullt in their head.

    Then send the bill for the bullet to the next of kin. Very civilized they are.
     
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    Actually, Xinjiang has Muslim extremists who do often cause riots via mobs of insurgents or local bombs. The treatment of these insurgents is a human rights issue; no one cares because the US and UN list them as terrorist organizations.

    Or not; China doesn't assassinate others like Israel.
     
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    Same with japan, us, uk, etc
     
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    Japan, the UK, and US are more service industry based economies; they depend on goods from China.
     
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    The US is the world's largest manufacturer of goods. Unfortunately, we only export 45% of our output.
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, I think China overtook that claim within the past few months; something over $3tn in manufacturing output.
     
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    Then you'll understand why all major economies are vital in an economy based on the interconnectedness of globalization
     
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    Of course, and China perhaps one of the biggest players.
     
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    If you wouldn't mind helping me locate a source, it would be greatly appreciated. I remember reading the statistic about a year ago, but I cannot find a source detailing what country produces how much of the world's manufactured goods.

    The number I read was that the USofA produced 75% of the world's manufactured goods. It came from a newspaper debunking certain things that have been said over the years.
     
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    This is the best I could find, actually: (From Jun 2010)

     

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