Chrissy Teigen openness about miscarriage gives strength to other women

"I wonder if it's also equally as devastating if a woman simply gets an abortion."

a miscarriage is an abortion, just a natural one

depends if you want a baby or not the effect it has on you, I would suppose

I read some people go nuts after they give a baby up for adoption, not knowing if the baby is being loved or abused or what?

then you have those that go crazy if they have the baby... like Andrea Yates

 

Gosh, I'd love to see your credentials for Ruling Over How People Should Feel...


Why don't you read posts like post 22 ...and if you don't think it's true then show why it isn't true....


Then show me where a woman asked YOU for sympathy? LOL


And if you have to ask how to feel......there's a problem....

 

You seem to believe that women should be the only ones to decide how they feel.


In which case, if that axiom were true, why should anyone else decide to feel sorry for them?

 

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Gosh, I'd love to see your credentials for Ruling Over How People Should Feel...


Why don't you read posts like post 22 ...and if you don't think it's true then show why it isn't true....


Then show me where a woman asked YOU for sympathy? LOL


And if you have to ask how to feel......there's a problem....

UH, DUH, who TF else should decide ?


Do you think women are such nothings that others should decide for them how they feel? !!!!!!!!

I think you should feel shame at your attitude towards women....now, do as you're told !!

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What "axiom" ?

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"""Then show me where a woman asked YOU for sympathy?""" LOL
HINT: THEY DIDN'T.

That's from the CHERRY PICKED post of mine you quoted.....IF you hadn't cherry picked it to avoid those INCONVENIENT comments you would have read it and had your answer.

 

C'mon, kaz, it's a simple question...WHO should decide for women how they feel and WHY?

 

Maybe next time you'll think things over before posting ????

 

My point was, are the feelings based on subjective desires, or are they based on objective extrinsic things?

If a woman can be devastated about the loss of a fetus in one situation, but that same woman can not give a crap about that fetus in a different situation, then it goes to show that what she actually cares about is not the life of the fetus.
She only cares about how the life of the fetus will relate to her.

If I can use an analogy, that would be like a woman being completely devastated over the death of her boyfriend, and then in another situation, in a parallel universe, where that boyfriend had dumped her a few days ago, she just shrugs and it doesn't really matter to her.
The woman isn't mourning over the death of the man (although she may think she is), she is mourning over the loss of her relationship. It is really all about HER.

 

My point there (at least to the statement you quoted and replied to) wasn't that women should feel a certain way.

It was just that if they do feel a certain way, in these different situations, that carries certain logical implications.

I was trying to point out the inconsistency.

Of course, women are free to have inconsistent feelings, but that means these feelings are not LOGICAL.

 

So ?

That MAY be how ONE woman feels in two distinct situations but that doesn't mean all women feel that way ( AMAZING TO HAVE TO TELL SOMEONE ALL WOMEN DON'T FEEL THE SAME WAY AGAIN, MOST ANTI-CHOICERS BELIEVE WOMEN TO BE CATTLE-LIKE)…


…....and there is NOTHING wrong with how that woman feels so AGAIN did you have a point , a point that mattered ??

So?

 

So you admit you were trolling. Color me surprised ...

 

...and your POINT was ..????

Here's something you avoided answering because it was INCONVENIENT:


You posted """kazenatsu said: ↑
You seem to believe that women should be the only ones to decide how they feel."""""


WHO do YOU think should rule over women and tell them how to feel?
YOU!!!??? LOL...

WHY do you think women should be told how to feel????

WHO TELLS YOU how to feel and do you obey???

 

Can't address post #22 ?

Why not?

 

And what TF does Chrissy Teigan have to do with any of this ???????

 

So in that case, are you saying the value of the fetus is dependent on which woman it is growing in?

Even in that case, it becomes obvious that the emotions of one of these types of women must be illogical.
Either the women who are devastated over an unwanted loss are being crazy and emotional, or the women who feel nothing over the death of their fetus (whether that death was intentional or not) are feeling an emotion that is not logical. (Or are not feeling an emotion that should be logical to feel)

(Unless you're going to make some sort of eugenics genetic argument, which I don't think you're going to go down that road)

 

Are you asking that question in relation to my post #25, or are you asking that question in relation to the opening post?

Because in this line of questioning, you started by quoting my post #25.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
That MAY be how ONE woman feels in two distinct situations but that doesn't mean all women feel that way

WHAT case ???

NO, you just quoted me saying : ""That MAY be how ONE woman feels in two distinct situations but that doesn't mean all women feel that way"

Again is there a POINT somewhere in that mishmash??



And what TF does Chrissy Teigan have to do with any of this ???????

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
WHO do YOU think should rule over women and tell them how to feel?
YOU!!!??? LOL...

LOL! You sure are good at getting out of answering those INCONVENIENT questions....don't you like INCONVENIENT things ???





Here's something you avoided answering because it was INCONVENIENT:


You posted """kazenatsu said: ↑
You seem to believe that women should be the only ones to decide how they feel."""""


WHO do YOU think should rule over women and tell them how to feel?
YOU!!!??? LOL...

WHY do you think women should be told how to feel????

WHO TELLS YOU how to feel and do you obey???



AND why can't you answer these questions?????


WHY can't you back up your statements when questioned ??

 

If you just want a straight up answer, that might be off-topic, and not appropriate to discuss in this thread, if it doesn't have anything to do with my opening post.

That is why I wanted your clarification which statement of mine your question was related to.

 

LOL! You sure are good at getting out of answering those INCONVENIENT questions....don't you like INCONVENIENT things ???





Here's something you avoided answering because it was INCONVENIENT:


You posted """kazenatsu said: ↑
You seem to believe that women should be the only ones to decide how they feel."""""


WHO do YOU think should rule over women and tell them how to feel?
YOU!!!??? LOL...

WHY do you think women should be told how to feel????

WHO TELLS YOU how to feel and do you obey???



AND why can't you answer these questions?????

Great attempt at a dodge but ALL my questions, the ones you had to cherry pick out, are on topic.

How many MORE times must I ask questions pertaining to statements you made?

I used your quote and asked questions on YOUR statements.....your lack of response to questions seems to indicate you have NO answers...

If you can't defend your position, whatever that is, then you have no point/argument..

 

You asked questions on my post #25, which as far as I can tell has nothing really to do with how I think women should feel.
(other than being logically consistent in their feelings)

If I have no answers, it is because your question is off-topic.

Why would I answer one of your questions here that doesn't have to do with something I wrote?

You're not going to get an answer unless you specify what those statements are.

 

LOL! You sure are good at getting out of answering those INCONVENIENT questions....don't you like INCONVENIENT things ???





Here's something you avoided answering because it was INCONVENIENT:


You posted """kazenatsu said: ↑
You seem to believe that women should be the only ones to decide how they feel."""""


WHO do YOU think should rule over women and tell them how to feel?
YOU!!!??? LOL...

WHY do you think women should be told how to feel????

WHO TELLS YOU how to feel and do you obey???



AND why can't you answer these questions?????

Then a huge FLIP FLOP...

As I said:

I used your quote and asked questions on YOUR statements…..your lack of response to questions seems to indicate you have NO answers...

If you can't defend your position, whatever that is, then you have no point/argument..

 

This was my post:

In that post, I was not implying that you believe women should be the only ones to decide how they feel and I do not.
I was simply pointing out an observation, referring to you, and then contrasting it with something else, trying to show a logical connection between the first statement and the second statement.

I wasn't taking a definitive position on that in that specific statement.

And my point/argument there wasn't the one you are asking me about now.


My point was one about subjective relativism. That is, if the woman's feelings are morally relative, then our feelings about the woman's feelings about her situation are also relative.
(i.e. There would be no "right" or "wrong" about how we feel about what she's going through)

 

Oh, so ,as I guessed, there was no point.

That still doesn't tell me what Chrissy Tiegan has to do with it....

 

No, that's not what I said.

 

You're smart enough to figure out the point. Maybe you just don't want to.

Maybe your brain has the beginnings of perceiving to understand what the point it, and you don't like where it's headed, so your brain immediately shuts off on this line of thinking.
Leaving your awake conscious unable to make any sense out of it.