"Christ" and "Christians"

interestingly it looks like JC understood modern day neo-atheists too!:

How can you think of saying, 'Friend, let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,' when you can't see past the log in your own eye? Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend's eye.

 

How exactly does one do that?

 

Oooh. Now I am confused. Is a christian not a christian because a christian says he's not a christian. Or is a christian really a christian even though a christian says he really isn't. Erm I give up.

'By their fruits ye shall know them'

'Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do' .

Of course, that leaves the problem of atheists/agnostics whose deeds of kindness etc exceed those of Christians.

 

Okay...from what I can tell judging by the Christians on this board. There is only one Christian at a time, but if that is ever pointed out then everyone claiming Christianity is Christian regardless of what they do. Then there is the political Christian whereby if someone can provide the required "Christian" results they are grandfathered into the fold no matter what they do...all they need do is Say they are.

 

Read the thread, I've already answered that.

 

He was a reverse zombie..

 

They act like me..

 

I was referring, of course, to Christians.......not you.

 

No...you haven't, otherwise I would not be asking.

 

Many millions who consider themselves "saved" followers of the "Christ" do NOT strive to live up to the teachings of Jesus.

They don't have to........because when they became followers of the "Christ" instead of Jesus they got a FREE ticket to heaven even if they were sinful.......thus they live a life of fat and happy prosperity in the midst of a world of poverty and starvation.

(This, by the way, was the sin that got Sodom destroyed--so God has a history of hating this type of person.)

As shown by.........

Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.

The two religions related to Christianity, Islam and Judaism, both recognize that the lying Saul/Paul was a charlatan......a tool of the Romans to destroy the Jesus movement from within.

He did a good job and got rich in the process.

 

Accept Jesus as your savior and you will know.

 

..funny how so many propaganda memes about Jesus and Christianity are believed, in spite of evidence and facts to the contrary..

 

In other words you have no answer and your initial comment was inaccurate.

 

I see a lot more of a problem from anti-christian bigots pitching lies and phony caricatures about Christians and Christianity.

Christianity has a specific definition, stated by the Founder. It is not a feeling based ideology, but one of adherence to the teachings of Jesus, which have been preserved, inviolate, for millennia.

Sure, there are false prophets, false Christians, and heresies, as there has been for thousands of years. But their existence does not negate the Truth of Jesus's teachings, or the standards He gave for being His follower.

The definition of Christianity is only confusing or ambiguous if you want it to be.. and that exposes prejudice, not any flaw in Christianity. The simple Truth of Christianity is there, and always has been, for those who want to know. And if lies are preferred, those are there, too.

 

Then I was incorrect, there is not "one Christian at a time"....there are none at all.

 

Christianity was invented by the false prophet and false apostle Saul/Paul.

He was an agent of the Romans who tacked some old Gentile myths about vicarious suffering onto the stories he heard about Jesus and created a new religion and became rich.

That's Christianity.

 

I would say a few.. many are called, but few are chosen. And not everyone who SAYS, 'Lord, Lord,' are true followers of Jesus.

But that is not for me to judge. The identity of 'true' Christians is not something easily seen.. best to leave it with God, imo.

I tend to accept someone's declaration of belief at face value, though ambiguity rages, in the forums.. try getting a straight answer from some atheists, whether they believe in God..

But if someone denies the deity (or humanity) of Christ, distorts His teachings, goes off on some old hare brained heresy, or just attacks and belittles other Christians, it is not a stretch to see them as anti-christian, instead of 'Christian'. That's the old, 'you will know them by their fruits,' criteria.

 

..right.. wonderful revisionism and anti-christian bigotry, there...

Unfortunately, you have no facts, no history, and no evidence, for your anti-christian narratives.. but that has never stopped heresies in the past, so why should it deter the new ones?

 

No, I don't believe in god. Straight enough?

 

Works for me..

..but you will get different opinions from different atheists on the same question.. follow some of the 'atheist' threads for examples, if interested.

 

Generally true of atheists.

There are less of them, the secular give less of their time and money to charity, see the book "Who Really Cares". And deeds of kindness don't get us into heaven.

Why do atheists care who is a true Christian and who isn't?

 

Again, you take a piece of the Bible out of context and without understanding. Part of that is probably because you use English translations.

The narrow gate, and the narrow path, have nothing to do with works, but with the fact that fewer people will become Christians than will follow earthly paths.

You still push the idea that a Christian can live his usual earthly life full of sin and still go to Heaven. Salvation is not a simple act like signing a contract with no requirements, it is a heartfelt and life changing commitment as described throughout the New Testament.

All you do is repeat your same opinion with nothing at all to back it up. Not even Pauls writings support your claim.

This is a forum for discussion, if you have nothing of substance to present and just repeat unfounded bias then you are wasting time.

 

This is not a problem since there is also no evidence that Jesus or Saul/Paul ever lived.

However, the myths themselves contain damning evidence against Saul/Paul and his "Christ" invention.

 

LOL! Your interpretation of "narrow gate" is laughable.

If what you say about salvation is true, it's odd we see hardly any "Christians" following Jesus. Where are they?

You say not even "Paul's" writings support MY CLAIM????

LOL!

All serious scholars, Jewish, Muslim, followers of Jesus, Agnostic and Atheist have known for scores of years that Saul/Paul was a liar, a religious charlatan and an agent of the Romans.

Your problem is you only read Christian sources.

Expand your horizons.

 

You have know idea what other posters read.. this is just an ad hom reply.

Do you only read anti-christian propaganda sites? How is that more 'true!', than pro Christian sources?