"Christ" and "Christians"

It's above my pay grade to decide who is Christian and who isn't, and it's above yours, too.

 

Seriously........I read everything I can get my hands on because I want to hear all evidence.

You should do the same.

If you simply Google "Saul Paul Liar False Apostle" you will be on your way to finding thousands of hits and scores of sound and legitimate sources of information from followers of Jesus and also Christians, Muslim, Jewish, Agnostic and Atheist scholars.

Do it. You will be happy that you did.

 

Nonsense, very few serious historians would say Jesus of Nazareth never lived. Do you think Muhammad never lived either?

 

Very few would say either thing.

What they do say is there is no hard evidence.......only stories.

 

There's a very good chance that the Jesus of the stories is a composite of several popular radical Jews of the day.

The same thing happened with the stories of King Arthur of the Round Table........the exploits of several kings were piled into a "history" of one king.

Mohammad, being a little post-Jesus, may have records that are slightly more valid.

 

All you have to do is read the entire sections, the meaning is clear. It has absolutely nothing to do with salvation through works.

Matthew 7:
13 “Enter through the narrow gate, because the gate is wide and the way is spacious that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 How narrow is the gate and difficult the way that leads to life, and there are few who find it!"

It means its difficult to follow Jesus. It does not mean salvation through deeds.

That's subjective. You probably don't see true Christians because you avoid them, or ignore them. Your attitude suggests you hold them in contempt and avoid them, and if you happen to stumble upon one you probably treat them poorly and leave ASAP.

When you close your eyes, you dont see, but it does not mean they dont exist.

And yet with all that claimed intellectual support for your arguement, you present none of it. Instead of repeating your personal bias, make an actual arguement.

 

Well, first of all there are one heck of a lot of people who at the very least claim to be Christians. So, it's just going to be the case that people will study this philosophy. After all, we have people taking action in the name of Christianity!

Beyond that, there ARE points of conflict - cases where a particular policy will be attacked for not being consistent with Christianity. For example, we see some Christians appear to resist organized help for the poor on no more grounds than government supplied the organization. Naturally, such cases of Christian opposition need to be understood. For example, we see moves to deny full citizenship to Americans who aren't heterosexually oriented. Etc.

Plus, there are the issues of some Christians who see their religion as conflicting with the results of scientific exploration of our universe. This can (but, doesn't always) lead to some big direct policy conflict. But even when it doesn't, it does undermine various general directions. For example, when Christians see higher education as a government supported promotion of apostasy and evil it's less likely that higher education will receive the support it needs. In fact, it probably leads to less inclination to support anything related to government. Yet, our economic future requires significant expansion of higher education (as well as other education, but that's a different topic, maybe). And, there has never been a civilization without government that included requiring contributions of the members.

Discussing ANY of this does require some understanding of what is meant by the label "Christian".

 

It is difficult to follow Jesus EXACTLY because you must DO DEEDS.......because you must give up your wealth and give it to the poor.

That's what the "Christians" fail to do.......they go on living their fat life like the people of Sodom.....neglecting the poor.

 

Now your talking nonsense.

You can't miss seeing them.......they're everywhere.

 

I think they DO have to.

Jesus had some fairly pointed remarks about rich men getting into heaven.

imho, this didn't imply that one has to do works to earn heaven. Surely nothing a human could possibly do would earn eternal life.

It's that if there aren't works, then it's clear that no conversion actually occurred.

How could someone possibly become a Christian and NOT follow Jesus' teaching in their daily lives?

After all, the very root precept of Christianity is that ZERO percent of a soul's existence is spent toiling on Earth (~100 years divided by eternity).

I don't see how someone can be a Christian, yet refuse to donate their full measure to Christ.

And, I'm suspicious that a God such as described in the Bible might see it that way, too.

 

I made the argument and I told you where to find the support for it.

Saul/Paul was the INVENTOR of "Christianity." They should call it Paulianity.

It's a lie.

I can lead you to wisdom but I can't make you drink.

One Hundred Thirty-Eight THOUSAND HITS.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=saul+paul+liar+false+apostle&pc=MOZI&form=MOZSBR

 

Jesus taught that you earn your way into heaven by emulating the Good Samaritan.

Period.

 

No, that's just not Christianity.

Let's remember Paul's letter to the Ephesians - 2:8-9:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Christianity holds that there is nothing that a human can do that would earn heaven.

Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Personal conversion is a requirement. Works are what would follow from an actual conversion.

 

Not according to the biblical fairy tale.

 

There is zero evidence that the character depicted as Mohammed actually lived.

 

False in every way.
The historical, archaeological, and anthropological evidence COMPLETELY supports the NT manuscripts, people, and events described therein.

It is only false narratives from propagandists that promote the lies of 'myth!'

 

Right.. nothing like presupposing the conclusion, and having 'scores!' of corroborating propaganda sources to validate truth...

Seriously? This is your method of scholarly research? Regurgitated 'theories' from anti-bible antagonists?

 

No, you presented the story of the Good Samaritan as proof that salvation was not through faith but through works, that was refuted very quickly.

Then you went to the "narrow gate" claiming that was proof that salvation was not through faith but through works, that was refuted even quicker.

Then you just repeated your claim with no supporting information.

An internet search link proves nothing, and does not show you have any understanding of the subject.

The number of "hits" is worthless. Search on "aliens abducted Trump" and it gets 1,080,000 hits.

I can (and have) read about the subject without your assistance. The forum is for discussion, if you have an arguement, then present it.

 

LOL!

You WISH you had refuted even ONE of my points.

I can give you the thousands of links with many years of scholarly research showing Saul/Paul to be a fake and a liar........but I can't make you read them.

You are determined to stay in your comfort zone of myth.

Your loss.

 

Wrong.

There is no evidence that Jesus and Saul/Paul ever lived.......just stories......old self-serving church mythology.

 

You do seem to have a habit of repeating the same thing over and over again. Obviously, you have no faith in God or Jesus Christ which is your prerogative but why do you insist on bashing those that do? You're simply here to try and mock those who have faith. Let me tell you that people like me and the others on here know exactly what the Bible teaches and nothing you say or link is likely to ever change that. The same as whatever they or I tell you will ever change your mind.

Having faith but not living your life according to the teachings of the Bible will not be enough to be blessed with eternal life. Christians who have faith and follow the scripture are already blessed because they are spreading love, forgiveness, empathy, generosity. Something which this world severely lacks.

 

There is no historical or scholarly precedent for this belief. It is a hostile propaganda meme, with no evidence.

 

Well if you have the evidence you claim to prove Jesus ever lived as a real person.......post it.

 

Also, you claim there is no evidence that Paul ever lived but claim to have facts that he is a liar. Which one is it?

 

I'm not bashing anyone......just giving you facts.

There is no evidence that Jesus and Saul/Paul ever lived.......just stories......old self-serving church mythology.

Why does that bother you so much? Your "FAITH" should see you through.