Concord man says officer followed him to parking lot for ‘looking suspicious’

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  1. Matt84

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    Because you're putting the responsibility on the wrong party. But you already know that.
     
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    There was no probable cause. There's a reason he was found wrong by his superior and reprimanded by his station no matter how you try to push this narrative.
     
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    It's worse than that, it's hilarious but tough guys will eventually learn. Your only asking for trouble telling a cop to f'off. I do truly hope they're not one of the stories one day mouthing and wanting to fight cops.
     
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    To fight with a cop is just a bad idea, and to lose your temper while fighting him is an even worse idea. Passive compliance is always the path of least resistance when dealing with Police. Remaining calm and calmly asserting your rights if you want to is best. Make them tell you that they are going to knowingly and forcibly violate your rights if you don't voluntarily surrender them. Then you will have actionable conduct you can pursue. Don't fight or argue. Comply and fight another day. Always film police interactions.

    That said, all police are SWORN to defend YOUR rights. That they routinely violate them, or use threats of arrest or violence to compel you to give them up under duress, is egregious and should be grounds for loss of qualified immunity. The on-scene supervisor, and later the chief in a released public statement both recognized this breach of the public trust and rightfully intervened. The officer that violated this man's rights will be disciplined, and his department will possibly face a civil rights lawsuit.

    Of course, police have the power to do any damn thing they want. They have a dozen accomplices who will drive like maniacs, lights flashing and sirens blaring, to come and back them up with just a call on the radio. They will collude with each other to gain your compliance, no matter whether they have the authority to do so or not. They will happily and enthusiastically dog pile you to make you comply. Power and authority are completely different things. They absolutely have a monopoly on force, but they do not always have the authority to use it. And too often, they abuse this power.

    The citizen in the OP had absolutely no legal obligation to provide his ID, answer any questions, or interact with the police at all. He is protected by the 4th and 5th amendment. They contacted him to investigate, apparently, an auto theft with which he had no connection, simply because he happened to be in the area. He had absolutely no obligation to assist them with their investigation, and since he believed he was the target of the investigation, he would have been a fool to have done so. Any time a police officer makes contact with you, he is gathering evidence to use against you. The only reason this officer had to ask for ID, was to run it for warrants and to take that gentleman to jail.

    In order to effect a lawful detainment, they must have RAS, the definition of which was posted by someone else earlier in the thread. In short, in order to lawfully detain someone, they must be able to articulate reasonable suspicion that the person they are detaining actually committed the crime they are investigating. If they can establish PC (probable cause), after the investigative detainment, only then they can effect an arrest. Just walking in an area where a stolen car was found does not rise to the RAS standard.
     
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    Yawn let us know when they arrest the cop for asking for an id....
     
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    He won't get arrested, he's just going to get his unit sued. But they have a habit of getting themselves sued don't they?
     
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    He has qualified immunity. He won't be arrested.
     
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    Let us know when they arrest the individuals in the article for not handing over their ID
     
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    He didn't just ask, and the department admitted he was in the wrong. I'm sorry you find basic civil liberties yawn-worthy
     
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    Let us know when they win...
     
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    Let us know when he does.
     
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    The cop asked for ID and he didn't feel he should show it. I get it. Passive resistance which for a police officer is step one in the ladder leading to a deadly encounter.
    I think they should have been more sensitive to the fact that police are wary of black people, and go out of their way to show their harmlessness and show their appreciation for police.
    Too many people have a chip on their shoulder for one thing or another. No one wants to understand the other person's view.
    The cop should have taken him to jail and released him. "You asked to be taken to jail, so I did. I assumed you wanted to see one. Have a nice day. You can ask the desk sergeant to call you a cab."
     
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    So you just proved the racial profiling aspect. Don't ever become a defense lawyer. Smh

    "The cop should have taken him to jail and released him"

    So that the payout can be even more.

    You're a roll buddy. Keep em coming.
     
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    Hey Matt, you’re driving down the street when you notice a cop car behind you and he wants you to pull over. You didn’t do anything wrong, so do you pull over and show him your license, registration and insurance card, or do you ignore him because you have your rights?
     
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    I'm just pointing out the problem of why if the day comes, you dial 9-11 no one comes.
     
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    This is appreciated by folks like me and some of the others but wasted on the DNC! Any more than Trump bad, guns bad, cops bad and china good and you have filled the thimble...
     
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    I just watched the video.
    The suspect was a loud mouth disrespectful jerk out to make a scene. If the cop would have had back up, he would have tried to cuff him and the fight would be on.
    The guy is the worst example of black behavior that stereotypes honest hard working black people just trying to go about their lives.
    I wonder how this would have played out with a black cop. Probably the dude would be picking car paint out of his teeth.
    You guys have this fairy tale idea of police work. They are societies garbage men. First at the murders and suicides, beaten and abused kids, wives, and neighbors. Senseless robberies and dead 20 year old store clerks. It as a pretty rotten job most of us couldn't handle for more than a week. You really ought to go on a rough ride a long.
     
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    Just gonna drop this here, because it seems relevant to the topic:

    US Code 242, title 18: "Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
     
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    Well that should scare the criminals!! Well maybe not ;)
     
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