Contempt for Trump, socialism, are at the heart of the Democrat campaign

A stream of Democrats lining up for the 2020 presidential election.They have two things in common: total resistance to the president and, far left policies. It seems contempt for Trump, and socialism, are at the heart of the Democrat campaign.

California Sen. Kamala Harris declared her candidacy on Monday. Other big names who will very likely run include New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

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There is no moderation here: Sen. Harris has a $3 trillion tax plan. Gillibrand wants the wildly expensive Medicare for all. Sen. Warren is all worked up about income inequality. None has any liking or respect for President Trump. In fact, open hostility to the president is a big plank in their platform. https://www.foxbusiness.com/politic...-at-the-heart-of-the-democrat-campaign-varney The democrat contempt for our American President knows no bounds. They are all about socialism. All they can think of are budget busting spending increases and economy destroying tax increases.

 

Democrats hate all the new jobs in America. Democrats hate that wages are finally under Trump rising faster than inflation. Democrats hate the wage increases, extra benefits and bonuses workers got as a result in cutting small business and corporate tax rates. Democrats hate that African American and Hispanic American unemployment is the lowest ever under Trump. Democrats hate that medical care costs are finally slowing under Trump. Democrats hate the retirement, college savings, health savings account security we have due to the high value of our stock market.

 

Could you give examples of far left policies? Could you also make sure that your selection is embedded correctly in socialist political economy?

 

And plus define 'socialism' so we can discuss competently with you the points in which you are interested.

 

Socialism is socialism.

This attempt to pass it off as "socialism light" or using the supporters words "democratic socialism" doesnt change that.

 

Probably the best right wing definition of socialism I've heard. Congrats!

 

Unfortunately this is just cretinous. The Democrats have no common political economy with socialism.

 

jcarlilesiu cannot define "socialism": noted. I said nothing about "socialism" or "democratic socialism."

 

Socialism is easily defined.

We are already engaging various forms of socialism in our country. Socialism is the government taking over the means of production in the sense that it uses the revenue and profits of these entities to impost social justice and programming for the benefit of the people. Tax policies for business is essentially socialism in that the resulting revenue and profit generated by the business is the means of production.

Any policy in which taxes are collected from business and then repurposed into social programs is inherently socialist.

 

You asked for the definition of the TYPE of socialism brought up in the OP. As per my previous point, there aren't different definitions as you suggested. Socialism is socialism.

 

What will happen to socialism when all the rich folks denounce their citizenship? Whos gonna pay for everything?

 

So what?

If an UNPREPARED POS IMBECILE (like Trump) could get elected, anything is possible.

^The above sentence fuels a lot of their thinking.

 

Nope, that is merely your defininition, and it is false.

We the People, elected by our citizens, make the tax laws.

Just because libertarians have a nutty set of philosophies does not mean the US is a socialistic country.

 

See VZ - print money.

 

So. I guess if the people (which isnt really the people making tax laws but legislators) taxed at 100% and then distributed the tax dollars for social programming, that still wouldn't be socialism?

I'm really curious to hear your definition of socialism.

 

I see our government just borrowed one trillion dollars to keep the government running. What socialism we have embraced over the years has now bankrupted the U.S. In short, our leaders have spent more that the treasury has. The politicians stay in power by giving us stuff we don't have to pay for. Some day the lenders money will dry up. Then what?

 

Yeah those are great

 

Yes, and there are valid reasons for those facts. First, look at the way conservative Republicans treated Obama, not because he was unfit or inept, but because he was black. Trump is white, but totally unfit & completely inept as President. That discrepancy seems to qualify as racist.

Second, look at how American Capitalism has treated average Americans. While the past three decades have brought record profits & unbounded increases in income to the wealthy, super-wealthy & ultra-wealthy of our country, middle Americans and lower class Americans have struggled year after year with zero increase in pay, while prices for goods & services have continually grown, making survival an ever increasing challenge. Capitalism hasn't been good for average Americans, and we're seeing the first stirrings to indicate a growing number of them are becoming aware of that fact. Socialism offers a peaceful but real answer to that dilemma. Socialism is capitalism with a heart. It simply assures that the wealth goes to a wider spread of humanity--including managers & workers--rather than everything going to owners & shareholders. Increasing numbers of Americans support more socialism in America. I do. And, I hope that number keeps growing.

 

Nope, that is merely your defininition, and it is false.

We the People, elected by our citizens, make the tax laws.

Just because libertarians have a nutty set of philosophies does not mean the US is a socialistic country.

Yes, We the People make the laws de facto by electing our representatives.

That is why we call it a republican representative government.

I commend to you the Merriam definition of 'socialism.'

Socialism | Definition of Socialism by Merriam-Webster
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
Socialism definition is - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. How to use socialism in a sentence. communism, socialism, capitalism, and democracy socialism vs. social democracy

 

Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Pure socialism, like pure Capitalism, is an Unknown Ideal. It has never existed and it is very unlikely it ever will. Even Russia under Stalin and China under Mao were really just forms of State Capitalism.

 

Money made here will be taxed. No difference.

 

So... COLLECTIVE ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

So, if I own a company and the government taxes that production for the collective benefit, that isn't socialism?

Just want to make sure I understand your definition here.

 

No, you own the company. You run the company. You make a profit. In a truly socialist state, the government would own and run the business.

 

By your definition, the US was founded as a socialist country and we never were capitalists!

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

 

So if the government taxes that company at 80%, removing all profit and redistributing it to the collective, that still isn't socialism?

This is what the left is trying to do. Instill socialist policies through taxation in lieu of outright take over, resulting in the same outcome and pretending the end game isn't socialism.

Once you tax a business or individual punitivly in order to distribute that production wealth to the collective, you have socialism.

Even to Marx, socialism is just a stepping stone to government owning everything and distributing property and pay based on individual needs.