Conversation with a Pastor

Darwin's theory WAS natural selection. Hell, it's even delineated in the title of his opus magnus.

Why don't you explain what YOU think Darwin's theory was since you seem to think that it's somehow something more complicated than evolution via natural selection? Have you even read On the Origin of Species, Qchan?

 

Silly rabbit.. The earth was NEVER destroyed by water.. If you had traveled or studied ancient history, you would know that there are many ancient sites that have NEVER been flooded.

 

You don't have a clue do you and now you're trying to cover your tracks. Two dogs dying in the desert is two dogs dying in the desert, plain and simple.

Where is the fourth dog to breed with the remaining dog? Which dog has the dominant gene for short hair?

In your mind you have over simplified the process of natural selection because simple processes is all you understand.

 

Natural selection is the process in which an animal survives based on how well suited it is to its environment. Clearly, you didn't know that, and by that fact alone, I found it hilarious.

ROFLMAO!
Now I agree with natural selection - however, natural selection is the key cog in the theory of evolution. They are two different things. They are not the same (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection).

I've already explained what it was. That's why we're having this argument. Did you forget?

 

What on earth does "hydroplate theory" and a global flood have to do with Natural selection ?

Natural selection explains how one species evolves into another.

 

The Ocean's of the Earth were provided by constant ORT CLOUD COMETARY BODIES and the Ort Cloud at one time had thousands upon thousands of Cometary Bodies which are just big giant dirty Ice Balls....slamming into the Planets and Moons all over the Solar System.

We are talking BILLIONS OF YEARS AGO....about 3.8 to 4 Billion Years ago shortly after the earths surface began to cool after a Mars Sized Planet slammed into the Earth which superheated our Earth's Core and is the reason why EARTH STILL HAD OCEAN'S AND MAR'S DOES NOT!!!

The slamming of that Mars sized planet into a smaller than today Earth simply was of such a Kinetic Force Transfer Magnitude that the Earth Liquified into Molten Rock and Plasma and then came back together via Gravity as well enough mass was blasted away from Earth it created the MOON.

The Earth is protected by a Massive Electromagnetic Field and our planet has a two stage Liquid Metalic Core with an Inner Core and an Outer Core which both SPIN inside the Earths' Inner Mantle generating a massive Electromagnetic Field which protects the Earth and Animals...pssssst....Huamn's are Animals....and Plants...etc....and without it the Planets Water would be bombarded by Comic Rays, Solar Radiation...etc....which would create a CHEMICAL REACTION in the water Molecule H2O...and Hydrogen and Oxygen would SPLIT into Hydrogen and Oxygen Gas.

The Water would turn to gas...the atmosphere would get thinner and thinner until most of the Oxygen and Hydrogen and Nitrogen Gases escaped into Space.....and then Earth would look like MARS!!!

Mar's was once like Earth....but Mar's was much smaller and less massive without a Super Charged Inner Spinning Metalic Core.

The interior of the Planet Mar's COOLED.

The Inner and Outer Inner Cores of Mar's cooled so much they stopped spinning....thus not generating a protective E.M. Field....and Mar's lost any Life and 99.99999999% of it's Water.

Anyways.....the Earth and Mars and all Planets were bombarded by Millions of Comets and these are what brought WATER TO EARTH!!

AboveAlpha

 

Deary deary me. I see genetics isn't one of your strong points.

 

I gave up on trying to explain this to him a while back.

AboveAlpha

 

Thick as a short plank

 

The TUNA CAN!!

AboveAlpha

 

Of course they're two different things, I don't think anybody here has argued that they're one. But that's not what we're discussing anyways! You constantly throw in strawman arguments to try to derail conversation from its destined path. Darwin ONLY wrote about natural selection. THAT is his contribution to the modern theory of evolution. Darwin didn't know about genetics, and he didn't know about other methods of evolutionary change like genetic drift. Everyone knew that organisms evolved already, what was needed was an explanation as to HOW that happened. Darwin explained how, that's why he's still touted to this day.

Do you know how many times you've said this to me, and it turns out to be a complete lie? Show me this post where you've explained yourself. You also seem to have a problem with repeating your beliefs and opinions more than once, even when talking to someone completely different who just entered the conversation. Sometimes you have to explain yourself more than once in life, or at least harken back to what you've said before.

 

When you say, "Darwin's theory of evolution is about natural selection" you're saying it's the same thing. That came from your mouth, not mine. When I say a cookbook is about cooking, then I'm showing that the cookbook exclusively describes cooking. So, when you're telling me Darwin's theory of evolution is about natural selection, you're telling me it's a theory that exclusively describes natural selection.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=412679&p=1065155172#post1065155172

Explain.

 

You completely missed the point I made. I'm not surprised, though.

 

Look.....I have posted this several times before.

Evolution is no longer a THEORY.

It has obtained a Mathematical Backed Proof as Evolution is without a doubt a FACT.

It was declared to be a fact back in 1999 by the American Science Acadamy and every single Sect of Christianity except Baptists not only agrees Evolution is a FACT they teach Evolution and Genetics in their High Schools and Colleges.

The FACT that Evolution is a reality has nothing to do with whether a GOD exists.

But if a GOD does exist.....both Quantum and Biological Evolution are the methods such a GOD used to create this as there are many....Universe and everything and all life within it.

AboveAlpha

 

Weren't you the dude who tried to convince this forum that blue eyes was due to mutation and not simple genetics?

 

No. I admitted its due to both. The point I made was that blue eyes aren't a benefit to anybody since the lack of mellanen exposes the eye to defects and certain diseases.

 

You know...the sad thing is even a CHILD can very easily within a few minutes understand Evolution.

It's obvious.

It's PROVEN upon a Genetic Molecular/Atomic Level that allows for a Mathematical Proof to be obtained.

And it's really not at all hard to believe.

Within one afternoon a person with a Microscope, eye dropper, bleach, sugar water, prepared Bacteria slides and a $2 Biological Harversting Tool one can buy at any Toy and Hooby Shop....CAN SEE EVOLUTION HAPPENING BEFORE THEIR EYE'S!!!

IN ONE AFTERNOON!!!

I really don't understand why anyone would attempt to try to state evolution is false or not proven.

It is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt....Matheamtically as well.

And there has NEVER....EVER...been a case in Human History where the MATH showed something to exist or be a fact....and wasn't!!!!

AboveAlpha

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Their pretty color is conductive to attraction and Human Reproduction.

AboveAlpha

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P.S......I have Blue/Green Eyes.

Very unusual I am told.

AboveAlpha

 

Thanks

 

First you claim "Natural Selection is not Darwin's theory"

Then you post a link stating: The theory of evolution by natural selection, first formulated in Darwin's book "On the Origin of Species"


Then you claim "Yes, natural selection is part of Darwin's theory" and in the next sentence say ... "but it isn't what his theory is about"... with no explanation in relation to what you think Darwin's theory is about.

Then you start rambling on about "hydroplate theory and a Biblical flood" which have nothing to do with Darwin's theory ?

How could someone not miss the point of this confused, contradictory and irrational mumbo jumbo ?

 

No I didn't. I said Darwin's theory isn't about natural selection. It's about evolution. If I read on Darwin's theory of evolution, I should expect to see explanations on how one animal evolved into another via natural selection.

Either you're trying to give me a hard time on purpose, or you're extraordinarily dense. I told you what Darwin's theory was about countless times.

I'm starting to give up on you with this conversation, because nothing I'm telling you seems to stick. I used the hydroplate theory to explain how the theory was not "about" water, but "about" a global event. Water is part of the theory - as a matter of fact, it's the main vehicle for the theory, but the theory isn't about water. The same with Darwin's theory. His theory isn't about natural selection. Natural selection is a part of his theory - as a matter of fact, its the main vehicle for the theory, but the theory isn't about natural selection. This is a very easy concept to understand. If you still don't understand, then I quit, because I'm tired of wasting my time.

My problem is that I gave too much credit toward your intellect and comprehension. I shouldn't have done that. I won't make that same mistake in the future.

 

Darwin's theory "is" about natural selection and natural selection is the basis of evolution.

Quite the contrary. I have explained to you what Darwin's theory was about and you keep spouting nonsense despite having the theory explained to you.

You even posted a link which explained exactly what I have been saying and you still cant get it.

1) you say "His theory (of evolution) is not about natural selection" then
2) Natural selection is the main vehicle for his theory of evolution.

Explain what on earth you mean ? How can the main vehicle for Darwin's theory of evolution be natural selection and at the same time his theory of evolution not be about natural selection ?

Your problem is that you keep contradicting yourself.

 

The problem is I'm wasting my time. Believe whatever you wish.

 

The problem is that you make contradictory claims, one sentence after the other in the same post, and expect to be taken seriously.

Then you try and backtrack rather than just saying "opps my bad" and explaining what on earth you are trying to say in some coherent fashion.

I agree that it is a waste of time to maintain a belief system that has so many inherent contradictions.

What would be a better use of your time is to try to change your belief system so that it makes more sense in relation to the facts.

This is what many if not most Christians and theists do. It is what sensible people do.

Literalism with respect to the Bible is not the only Christian perspective. It is not even the majority one.

Your problem is that your belief system is built on a foundation of sand rather than rock. If one small element in the Bible is shown to be wrong in literalism (every word in the Bible is literally the word of God) the whole structure collapses.

Why would you want to base your belief on such a flimsy structure ? Is it not better to focus on some of the grand overall principles that are expressed in the Bible and follow those ?

What I find so befuddling about the literalists/fundamentalists is that they focus so hard on trying to explain away unexplainable contradictions that they miss some of the main messages of their hero and God - aka Jesus.

What's more is that some of the fundamentalist beliefs are not only not found in the Bible, they are contrary to most of what Christianity beliefs.

These beliefs and minimum are then are nothing more than man made dogma and have no business being touted as coming from the divine.

 

Your messages appear to carry great intellect but are full of silly ignorance.

You can't prove scientifically the existence of multiverses. Such is just a dumb hypothesis.

You claim that Evolution is no longer a theory but a fact, and that Evolution base foundation is natural selection. And guess what, Darwin wrote very clear that natural selection works solely in small and slow steps and causing only favorable changes to species.

By fact, what Darwin wrote is false. The changes are not always slow and in small steps plus are not favorable. Species just fight for survival after they have been forced to have mutations by the new environment. Species degenerate at each change of the environment.

Even at the micro-scale, there are no "super bugs", what is happening is that as the body of the microbe is forced to change by chemical intervention enforced to destroy it, and the survivors will mutate. The consequence is, as an example, a microbe eating the sugars of our body, but after a bad treatment with antibiotics, this microbe will stop eating sugars and starts eating human's immune defense cells. This is the fact.

Then, the microbe has not evolved, because evolving will mean that this same microbe will continue eating our sugars plus the immune defense cells. The chemicals deformed the body of the microbe, and this is like with former dinosaurs which were birds with lots of teeth biting and chewing their food, and now they can't do that with their current beaks.

See? Degeneration forced them to change their diet as well.

Degeneration is the FACT. Evolution is pure fantasies.

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BLUE EYES

Adam, the first man on earth was white and with blue eyes.

After the dropping of the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a weird phenomenon was observed. Lots of survivors who were exposed to radiation showed a change of color, they ended having blue eyes.

Even more, there is a doctor who has invented his own laser machine to "remove" the collected by generations melanoma genetic trail inheritance and turned the eyes with their ancestral original blue color.

The whole part of the theory of evolution about eyes has been debunked by the weird discovered after the nuclear explosions and by the laser toy invented by this doctor.

[video=youtube;myyNCCCbByI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=myyNCCCbByI[/video]

LOL.

 

Adam had blue eyes????????? What a load of poppycock.