Cop Who Killed Ashli Babbitt Never Interviewed By Investigators, Now Back In Charge Of House Securit

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    And yet again you illustrate that my opinion will have no effect on the jury considering them guilty or innocent, so no one here is trying them in the court of public opinion and you're simply flustered about nothing.

    You're. You are. Do try harder.

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    OH, so when you say "Pelosi" is responsible for the lack of security on January 6th it's because:

    Your opinion is just that... an opinion... you have an ego problem ...

    SO!

    ... wipe your lip, your drooling. 8)

    Now I get it; thanks!
     
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    My opinion is just that.. an opinion...the facts I post are just that.. fact.

    If you need more, let me know... this is not my opinion, but others involved making public statements, something liberals don't comprehend..

    Rumble — Hannity: Why Did Pelosi Block the National Guard from Getting Deployed on Jan. 6th?
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    Stefanik: Pelosi Was Made Aware Of Capitol Threats And ‘Failed To Act’


    GOP Lawmaker: 'Unacceptable' That Pelosi 'Didn't Have The US Capitol Secured' On January 6
     
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    It does not mean that those investigation were fair, reasonable, and impartial. Considering the analysis of the video, it appears to be an unjustifiable shooting.

    Hopefully, when a Republican becomes president, and honor and integrity are once against restored in the Justice Department, the investigation will be re-reviewed.

    This shooting appears to fly in the face of international law and in violation of the Fourth Amendment, under the framework established per the cases Tennessee v. Garner and Graham v. Connor.
     
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    You wouldn't expect three independent investigations to be unanimous, if they weren't fair, impartial. What do you mean by reasonable?
    What video are you referring to? What did you see to say it was unjustifiable?

    I've watched videos from the time "the Babbitt insurrectionists" (henceforth "the group") left the main entrance to the House Chamber for the Speakers Lobby until Ms Babbitt was shot and beyond; several times.

    It's not conclusive but several things she does indicate she was an instigator if not a leader of "the group". That she was first to the Speakers Lobby doors and went first through the window supports that theory.

    In any case, when "the group" arrives at the entrance to the Speakers Lobby it is barred, barricaded and guarded by three lightly or unarmed Officers and a staffer.

    Immediately "the group" starts yelling and screaming threat's, obscenities and posturing violently. Not long after that Congress people are seen IN the Speakers Lobby evacuating. This really sets off "the group" and they reach over the three guards attacking the doors with flag poles used as pole-arms, fists and anything they can get their hands on. All the while yelling threats and bloody murder at OUR evacuating Congress.

    Soon a group of better armed officers arrive and the original three guards gladly leave. But, "the group" quickly fills the void making it impossible for the new guards to reach the doors .

    Now free to really assault the doors they break out a window. I watched a video taken from further back in the hallway just now; there were at least 50 insurrectionists in "the group".

    After the window is broken out of one of the doors is when you first see Officer Byrd and on the video you hear, "GUN, GUN, HE'S GOT A GUN". Undeterred Babbitt jumps or is helped into the window opening. As she prepares to jump over furniture Office Byrd fires ... ONCE ... and Babbitt falls backward to where she was.

    IF, Officer Byrd had not fired Babbitt would have been quickly followed by the rest of "the group" who where intent on making good on their threats to attack Congress.

    OFFICER Byrd, FACING 50 MANIC INSURRECTIONISTS, OBVIOUSLY TOOK THE CORRECT AND ONLY ACTION HE COULD TO PROTECT CONGRESS. <-PERIOD

    IF America elects a GOP President, I will bet they do their best to NEVER bring up the Babbitt shooting because any action they take will bring it up again and, once they are elected, they'll want nothing to do with it. It WILL be used constantly, until then, as a motivator for tRumpublicans to get out and vote. But, Officer Byrd acted Correctly.
     
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    Who took this video? Who's hand/glove in the lower left. He was hollering gun... on the other side of the hall from Ashli.

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    A young man, John Sullivan, says he took it. He claims he was there as s videographer, "with" but "not part of" the Babbitt insurrectionists.

    I'm pretty sure those are Officer Byrd's hands. But before you accuse him off of hiding, that picture is taken from the left side of corridor to the Speakers Lobby, he would have been in plain sight if you were on the right side of the corridor, from which Babbitt attempted to enter the Speakers Lobby.

    OH, I was on my phone and couldn't see clearly what your arrow pointed at. On my pc ... I assume the hand either belongs to an insurrectionist or the, self proclaimed, videographer.

    OK, watched again it's the videographer and he's pointing, with that hand, at the gun, yelling, "there's a gun he's got a gun, he's got a gun".
     
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    “Documents uncovered by Judicial Watch reveal that eyewitnesses — including three police officers at the scene — told investigators they did not hear Byrd give Babbitt any verbal warnings prior to firing, contradicting what Byrd told NBC,” Judicial Watch in Real Clear Investigations.
    https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/JW-v-DC-Babbitt-October-2021-001710.pdf
    https://www.realclearinvestigations...-85948289&mc_cid=f4331a3ef8&mc_eid=848bcee76a



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    I don't ever want to hear about Democrats bringing up statistics of unarmed black men being killed by police, about why a cop used lethal force instead of a Taser, or police brutality in general. Democrats, who were against the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting and the Kim Potter shooting, are adamantly for Ashli Babbit, an unarmed, small-statured white woman, getting shot. It's disgusting. How Democrats are okay and celebrate this shooting is disgusting.

    Once again, what does Michael Byrd and Alec Baldwin have in common?

    They both shot and killed an unarmed white woman, they both have not been charged, and they both are adored by Democrats.
     
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    Please share your hallway video... I am sure it will not be from overhead Capitol security video....Queen Pelosi says we don't get 1 second of it...What is she hiding?
     
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    The BLM-Antifa riots lasted for months, resulting in over a dozen deaths and about $2 billion in damages, and yet not one cop shot and killed any of the rioters. There was one riot on January 6th, and a rioter was shot and killed, and no other officer that day did likewise. What is so special about Officer Byrd that the situation called for using deadly force, and all other options were off the table. It's an absurdity.
     
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    Well again we differ on the use statistics about unarmed Black Americans that are shot completely disproportionately to population numbers by the very people hired to protect them. But that is a diffeent TOTALLY UNRELATED topic; and I know weren't telling ME what to do, GOT IT ... GOOD!

    First, who ... WHO has EVER "celebrated" Ashli Babbitt's death? I have never, ever seen, on this board or anywhere else, ANYONE "celebrate" her death. Some in defense of Officer Byrd have said "she got what she deserved" or something to that effect but NOBODY is celebrating her death ... NO BODY!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Technically you're correct, Alec Baldwin and Michael Byrd shot and unarmed white woman. <- And THAT just goes to show how "facts" are used and twisted to sound sinister or condemning. IF anything is "DISGUSTING", that is.

    What your FACT doesn't say is Alec Baldwin "shot an unarmed white woman" out of shear stupidity and negligence. Officer Byrd shot a woman whom he didn't know whether she was armed or not - but was backed up by at least 50 more ARMED and VIOLENT INSURRECTIONISTS hell bent on harming Congress, the Congress whom it was his job, and he had sworn, to protect. Officer Byrd, by firing only one shot, demonstrated exceptional self control and training and that his intention was to stop the threat to Congress with a minimum of force.
     
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    And one has AbsaByGodLutely NOTHING to do with the other. January 6th had the potential to change our American way of Life and the way WE are Governed; the 2020 riots DID NOT.

    What was so special about Officer Byrd is that he showed Great Courage, Training and Restraint, in doing the job he swore to do - PROTECT CONGRESS. YOU have NO WAY of knowing his options or thoughts. <-PERIOD

    Yes, from your Monday morning quarter back chair your criticism is absurd, and flies in the face of THREE exonerating investigations.
     
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    Thank goodness there is some real reporting going on by Judicial Watch..

    This video shows they (the response team) were just milling around in the stairs BEFORE the shot.... They only responded as they were right there, to the actual shot...... they were not trying to disperse anyone and not moving toward Ashli or the doors.

    There was breaking glass and someone reported over the radio "shots fired" but another transmission declared that false and it was BEFORE Babbitt was actually shot and that is why there were a response team right there at the time because of a false "shots fired"..

    https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/JW-v-DC-Babbitt-October-2021-001710.pdf

    ff :47

    https://www.facebook.com/realTomFitton/videos/babbitt-video/200985855416037/
     
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    Here is the blood thirsty woman attacking the police... well maybe not... what a senseless murder... actually an ambush by any definition..

    Anyone want to take a guess of the person videoing in post # 631?

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    Well that's terrible video but what you're seeing is the first relief officer gets to the back of the crowd the other three come up and the 3 that were AT the door go down. Better video shows that the space above the stairs were jam packed with insurrectionists, the officers would have to have been confrontational to have moved up further and I'm sure they were trying to avoid that. BUT, the newly arrived officers cannot see Ashli Babbitt from their spot on the stairs, maybe once she was in the window but if the blinked they would have never seen her at all. I'm not sure how this is supposed to change anything. Byrd was the Officer AT the doors, he was the last defense before the insurrectionists had complete access to Congress and whomever was immediately protecting them.

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    Assault on the Speakers Lobby starts at 27:00
     
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    Actually that's about as benign a look as Ms. Babbitt had and she was anything but calm. There is footage of her jumping up and down screaming bloody murder. But that's not the point, it actually obfuscates the point. And that is Lt. Michael Byrd was doing his job in the face of a large mob acting violently, possessing weapons and displaying they could use them, destroying property and yelling threats of death and mayhem at the very people he was charged to protect. When the last defense was breached by Ms. Babbitt he fired ONCE which ended the threat; that was the minimum response, we know of, immediately available to him. The incident was investigated by THREE agencies ALL of which exonerated him. <-- PERIOD THE END
     
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    Please show us the video of her jumping up and down screaming bloody murder.... before she was "murdered by ambush" by an officer who could have subdued her without murdering her...
     
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    At about 11:00 seconds.

    And you are wrong, Officer Byrd did NOT ambush her, she was NOT murdered, you have know way of knowing that he could have responded any way other than he did. But, we've debated that before you continue that line of nonsense only to jerk my chain ... I can only assume.
     
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    Your video proves my point totally

    She is dead at 11 seconds, sport... She never made it through the window... there is no way Byrd hollered anything at her to stop when she is only in the window a split second before she is assassinated by a murderer in an ambush.
    Totally unjustified shooting by any definition... your own video shows the security NOT controlling the situation and the crowd... what gives with that, it was their job... they are literally standing back watching BEFORE the shot.

    Did you ever find out who was the video guy taking the video in post #631... it all comes together.... or will you do the liberal thing and "not go there"

    ""But, we've debated that before you continue that line of nonsense only to jerk my chain ... I can only assume.""
    The only one jerking your chain is yourself.... which I assume you do everyday more than I care to know about... WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND THIS... Ashli would not be there if it were not for the failed security that was offered days before and forewarning. There is no excuse for the crowd inside the building.. The buck stops with the CP and the overseer Pelosi and ilk.... That murder happened because of the CP and the overseer Pelosi and ilk, and the blood of Ashli is on their hands, no one else. Pelosi need to be subpoened and questioned by her own fake committee about what she knew and when she knew it.
     
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    IF, you watch the video through to 11 seconds you can see and hear here scream; sport! I know! IF Benedict Donald hadn't held the National Guard in reserve to protect his people ... who knows???
     
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    Trump does not oversee the Capitol security ..... Nancy Pelosi oversees the Capitol security and the CP....

    You may want to quit while your ahead on your video... it is showing opposite of what you are claiming

    Ashli's back is to you at 11 seconds..you can't say she is saying anything in a room full of noise.... but the "good job guys" sure sticks out as security is LITERALLY WALKING AWAY WHEN ASHLI IS SHOT...

    Like I said before... you will never touch who the videographer was in post #631, who just happens to be in a choice spot at the choice time...

    And again... If the CP and overseers Pelosi and ilk were doing their jobs... Ashli would not be in the mortgage with a toe tag on. The buck stops with them and their failure..
     
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    I'm not arguing your nonsense issue of Capitol security anymore, YOU are the only one trying to peddle that BULLSHIT. I gave you the name of one of the videographer's in another post; I pretty sure he's not the one that shot this video though. And you're in denile if you don't think that is Babbitt screaming in the video. :bye:
     
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    She has her back to you...do you deny that? There were many other voices in that video.. You are stretching it saying she was yelling.
    Byrd fired once... your video clearly show he could not have gotten any more shots if he tried because she was only halfway through the window and fell back instantly.... Ashli was murdered in an ambush by a concealed shooter.. She was only there in the building because security was minimal for what the circumstance called for with the forewarning and the guard offered by Trump days before...
    Here is the Mayor's letter saying, nah we don't need anymore guard... her and Pelosi were to authorize ahead of time, but it did not happen..

    mayor bowser declines guard document

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuHk-vZWgAIeIZX?format=jpg&name=900x900

    https://twitter.com/NewDayForNJ/sta...fuses-to-submit-us-capitol-security-documents

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