Cosmology and Astronomy

Discussion in 'Science' started by waltky, Jan 12, 2013.

  1. MrNick

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    What are you talking about?

    30% of society are sociopaths, however certain professions attract more sociopaths than others.. The the major professions that attract sociopaths are law enforcement, politics and academics...

    The reason why these professions are attractive to sociopaths is because they're positions of power...
     
  2. MrNick

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    No, I'm not against higher education - I'm against snooty academics.

    Look, all educated people aren't academics now are they?

    Don't confuse being educated with being a member of the good ole boys club...
     
  3. Cosmo

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    I’m talking about the silly assumption that all academics are sociopaths.
     
  4. OldManOnFire

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    So you believe extraterrestrials, no doubt from outside our Solar system, flew their craft a minimum of 5 light years, took a few passes over Lake Michigan, and then left? They didn't bother to stop by the White House, or Yellowstone Park, or a McDonald's, just decided it was time to go...go where? Of the ~7 billion on planet Earth, the ET's did a flyby of you and your cousin?

    You believing, or you thinking, or you imagining, that you saw an alien craft is not proof of anything...
     
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    No, all educated people are not academics, the ones that work for colleges or universities are.
     
  6. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Scientists do not "Ignore" this possibility, they simply do not yet have sufficient evidence to accept it as a reality. Many study cosmology in a search for supporting data but, as of yet they have found the planets of possibility and nothing more. Alien life is still in hypothesis stage trying to break through to theory.....sure is fun to think about though.
     
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    Humans have had the capability to be detected by 'others' for only 100-150 years, and at the rate we're going we seem capable of annihilating ourselves in relatively short order...so if most intelligent life goes through this same short process, of perhaps 200-500 years, when we're talking solar systems and a universe which are billions of years old, not only must we have the technology to detect 'others' but we must also detect them during potentially very short time frames. Even on a geological time scale of just 2 billion years, dividing 2 billion by 500 years, there could be 4 million separate times that intelligent life might be capable of being detected...and we would have to call precisely during any one of those 4 million events. Now if intelligent life can exist thousands or millions of years, then not only is it easier to coincide with them but we should be detecting them by now...
     
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    If we were to dismiss both distance and the time it represents your hypothesis would be accurate.
     
  9. MrNick

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    I don't think they flew, I think they bent space...

    I know what I saw...

    In what universe (no pun intended) would you believe aliens would be interested in the White House?

    When we (humans) find new species of animals do we say "take me to your leader" or do we just observe them? what makes you think aliens would treat humans any different? We don't go shaking hands with monkeys in the middle of the jungle do we?

    You really think humans are that interesting to aliens that can warp space to the point they want to land and say hi?

    You can bet that they're extremely cautious, as we would be if we found a civilization...

    Hell there are already uncontacted tribes of humans we merely observe, and we stay away and observe them because we don't want to corrupt them with our diseases, that and they view us as "aliens"...
     
  10. MrNick

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    There is plenty of evidence -physical evidence.... There are materials that have totally bizarre compositions yet they're excused because what the elements can be found on Earth, yeah indeed - but not in that composition - yet this evidence is ignored...

    There are only tens of thousands of UFO's that have been recorded..

    Then you have sightings by astronauts, presidents, scientists etc... Mass sightings to boot.
     
  11. tecoyah

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    Strange materials we do not know the details of and seeing things that cannot be proven are NOT evidence...they are unknown and unproven things.
     
  12. MrNick

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    It is evidence, materials that cant be composed on Earth is extremely important evidence...

    Videos are used as evidence all the time in trials, yet are rejected by science?

    I think people fear the truth and fear being wrong...

    I have an open mind and wont just reject evidence because it doesn't jibe with some elitists theory..

    The evidence that ET's are visiting us is overwhelming....
     
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    Okay....I'll play.

    Please provide data on these materials that have been found that are impossible to make on Earth.
    And....if you would show us all the video evidence you refer to.

    I have seen many things that claim to prove alien visitation and pretty much all are disproven and discredited...I would LOVE to be convinced.
     
  14. OldManOnFire

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    Why aren't they 'bending space' all the time?

    If ET's were ever to make themselves known, I'll bet the USA and White House will be front and center controlling all the communications, etc.

    Because there is a difference between an 'animal' and 'intelligent species'.

    It seems more logical to me to assume ET's are just as curious about us as we are about them.
     
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    'Age map' traces galactic history...
    :confusion:
    Largest ever 'age map' traces galactic history
    Fri, 08 Jan 2016 - By measuring the age of 70,000 stars across the Milky Way, astronomers make a "growth chart" for our galaxy.
     
  16. OldManOnFire

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    It's not intuitive to me that this should be the results? Following the BB, there was matter everywhere, and for whatever reason, this matter begins to attract each other and grow into solar systems and galaxies. Due to gravity tugs on the forming galaxy this creates the start of a spin or rotation. Once the galaxy is formed, and it is spinning, there is obviously a center from which everything else is spinning around. But it doesn't make sense to me why the mass at the center would be older than the mass at the edges? It does make sense to me that a solar system might be older or younger but all the matter should be similar ages...
     
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    Look up UFO on youtube and while you're at it look up "alien implant" or "alien physical evidence"...

    Obviously you have never checked it out....

    Do it, spend an hour looking at the evidence.. There is too much to ignore.
     
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    Of course ET's are curious about us, however they clearly just want to observe us.

    The government knows this, they just don't want to admit they have advanced technology...

    Look if you were a rival of mine you would be pretty concerned if I had technology that is superior to yours... So why would the US government proceed with disclosure?

    I know the non-believers want a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing alien craft to land on the White House lawn and shake hands with the president - that is never gong to happen.. lol.

    Like the first person they want to meet is Obama?

    C'mon...

    They damn well know if they landed on Earth they would be the ones abducted and studied like lab rats...
     
  19. tecoyah

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    I see...so rather than providing the data requested because it does not exist, you tell me to look it up myself in places that do not have the data requested?

    I believe I can now dismiss your argument as useless...Buh Bye.
     
  20. MrNick

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    No, not at all - I'm just not your (*)(*)(*)(*)ing secretary...

    You can do your own research....

    I'm telling you not giving you...

    What is it with you people and your expectations that others need to provide for you???

    You a child?

    I told you where to look and what to look for - now find it...
     
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    Interesting that 'you' know that 'they' just want to observe us?

    The government cannot possess alien technology, that has been studied and researched, etc. and only a couple of people know about it. If the government was aware of an advanced technology it would be more stupid to hide it than adapt it.

    You don't serve any purpose to categorize people into 'non-believers' or 'believers'. People in either of these camps are making assumptions to support their positions. One assumes aliens exist and the other assumes they do not exist when in fact neither of them have any empirical evidence to support their assumptions. Actually your non-believers have the most evidence to support their position which is no evidence 'they' exist.

    It's hard to say how it would play out if ET's actually landed on Earth? Obviously they will be quite advanced. Can we communicate with them? Are they hostile in any way? Do they have weapons?
     
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    Google this; Empirical evidence that ET's exist
     
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    OK, then I will take a nap...

    i'll be back on this one....
     
  24. tecoyah

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    Strange is the way debate functions is it not? An individual makes a claim and another disputes it...usually requesting verification of said claim in some way. The person making the claim then provides data that can be disputed or agreed upon which furthers the debate and discussion. If they cannot or will not do so the debate ends...and one of the participants loses.

    You have Lost it.
     
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    Seriously?

    If the government said it possessed alien technology it would start a war...

    You really think a country like China or Russia would sit back and be cool with the notion that the US possesses superior technology? We would become an immediate threat and (*)(*)(*)(*) would hit the fan...

    It would be like bringing a knife to a gun fight...

    Regardless of our intent other countries would be very worried.

    Also, I don't care who believes and who doesn't, I'm not asking you to believe - I'm telling you what I believe.
     

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