Could this UFO have been Made in America?

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Could the January 2011 Temple Mount UFO event have used USA technology/

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  2. Yes

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  3. I guess I cannot rule out that possibility????

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    If you look at the database from the National Reporting Center, you will see that is in no way correct.
    http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxevent.html

    Also, there are more UFO videos and images than ever now. Unfortunately as the smoking gun evidence became possible with the evolution of cell phone cameras, CGI has made it all but impossible to believe anything you see on a video. No matter how convincing one may seem to be, all videos and photos can be dismissed as potentially faked.
     
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    I think you've got that backward. Relativity says that if you get close to the speed of light, time will slow down for you, essentially putting you in stasis, and you can travel to the future that way. The problem then would be getting any information back to your time of origin (nobody is going to pay to send you to the future if you can't report back). As far as I know there's no way to go back in time, because you'd have to go faster than light.
     
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    There are a number of ways to travel back in time. In practice they may or may not be possible. One method is to circumnavigate a black hole near the event horizon, in the proper orbit. I believe it is frame dragging that causes you to move back in time to the point you entered the orbit. So you would see yourself entering as you leave.

    The study of closed timelike curves is the study of time travel.
    https://www.thoughtco.com/closed-timelike-curve-2699127
     
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    Interesting. But it looks like time travel via Groundhog Day is just as pointless as sending someone (and a really fast ship) to the future, never to be heard from again.
     
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    ... as seen by an observer defined to be at rest. For you, the size, shape, and mass of the universe changes, and clocks for the observer are running slowly compared to your clocks.
     
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    Haha, yes, one limitation that seems to be inherent in any design for a time machine, is that you can only go back to the moment that the machine was turned on [or you entered the orbit, in this case]. I'm not aware of any solution from Relativity that allows you to go back beyond that point.

    Ron Mallet [Ph.D. Physics] is trying to make a time telephone. But his concept has the same limitation: You can only send messages back to the time the machine was turned on. I don't think most physicists find his approach to be valid.
     
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    That limitation wouldn't be too bad if you could actually break out of it, but it doesn't look like a situation where you could try different things, just an infinite loop of doing the same thing and thinking it's for the first time.

    I assume he wants to use time entangled particles? It seems like two quantum computers (one in the present, one in the future) with entangled particles might be able to get info from the future. Or not, since that is when paradoxes could start occurring.
     
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    He uses a LASER to "stir" space time in an attempt to create frame dragging.

    My personal inclination is to think The Many World's Theory intervenes were any true paradoxes imminent. Say for example Mallett sends a message back in time to himself when he started the machine. He hasn't received any message. So if someone did, it must be him in another timeline.

    That is the real question when it comes to time travel: Are paradoxes possible, and if so, what happens when you have a paradox? Igor Novikov [a Russian physicist] once did a thought experiment and demonstrated that it isn't possible to change the past beyond the point where a paradox occurs. He considered a pool table with a time machine in a pocket. If the ball enters the pocket, it travels back through time and emerges from another pocket. He found that while he could design the system to deflect a ball before it fell into the pocket, he could not deflect it enough to make it miss the pocket entirely. He could not make it go back in time and change history - miss the pocket and never go back in time in the first place. Somehow it was implicit in the problem that he could not create a paradox.
     
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    The Middle Passage scarcely touched the Bermuda Triangle.

    Though most slaves were thrown overboard when the British Navy was about to catch the slaver ship, and a lot of this did take place just off Cuba, so maybe......
     
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    I am more inclined, however, to see the Bermuda Triangle as a space/time warp than as poltergeist phenomena. This is largely because it is not the only one in the world. The South China Sea may be another and then there is the entire Indian Ocean, which is so big it may affect the weather and could be the cause of the Ice Ages.
     
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    Then it would seem more likely that it isn't US designed.
     
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    If it was a drone it would have almost certainly been an Israeli aircraft?

    What's your point?
     
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    What's yours...?
     
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    My point is asking you what your point is.
     
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    The question was, "Could the January 2011 Temple Mount UFO event have used USA technology". I speculated that if this thing was flying in Israeli airspace, it was almost certainly Israeli in origin, or it would have been detected immediately and shot down. Could it have had some components in it (if it really even existed at all) that were fabricated in the United States? Sure... anything's possible. When you get right down to it, nobody really knows anything about what's 'on board' a 'UFO'....

    Like many other people, I'll be considerably more interested in all of this UFO 'stuff' when/if one of these things lands in plain view, and the occupants make an appearance. Until that happens, 99% of all this 'UFO' hoop-la is little more than 'coffee-table talk' for people who have too much idle time and too little to do....
     
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    Many people say that has happened to them. Military pilots have had dog fights with UFOs. And many very serious scientists take this subject seriously.

    If one alien has ever landed on earth, it is perhaps the most significant event in human history; because of the implications. It might not only explain much of religion, but even our origins.

    If aliens really have been around, it could be at the heart of human existence. There is no way to even guess at the implications.
     
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    Note that in the Travis Walton case, five people passed a lie detector test while under investigation for murder, when they stated that they saw Travis Walton zapped by a beam of light from a hovering UFO. He flew back several feet and landed unconscious. They thought he was dead and took off in their truck.They returned to town and reported their experience to the cops. The cops didn't believe them and assumed that Walton had been murdered.

    Walton disappeared for about five days. He finally did return and said he had been abducted by aliens. He too has passed multiple lie detector tests. He failed one on a game show.

    The chance of the five witnesses all faking a lie detector test is virtually zero.
     
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    Here, Walton describes his alleged experience.
     
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    I agree with your statement, "If one alien has ever landed on earth, it is perhaps the most significant event in human history; because of the implications." But, sadly, until this really happens, the whole topic remains one of -- :blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah: . :dog:
     
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    Now you are just showing your personal bias. You can't know if it has ever happened. So don't pretend to be objective. ;)
     
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    My "personal bias"...? Show us all PROOF of any extraterrestrial, alien-constructed spacecraft landing on this planet and I will be only too happy to acknowledge it. But, until then, what is it? Mere conjecture, and NOTHING more....
     
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    That's assuming that the craft didn't have stealth technology.
     
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    Can you tell on what day in January 2011 that was supposed to be? I do not find eda smit Temple Mount in the link ...

    Anyway ... Alone our Galaxy - the Milky Way - has hundreds of millions of solar systems. And there are hundreds of billions and more galaxies in the universe. It would be presumptuous and idiotic to claim that we are the only intelligent beings in the universe ... or even the most advanced in technology.
     
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    Three days after Jordan sent huge GENERATORS to the Temple Mount.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/141937

    Huge Generators on Temple Mount
    Jordan sent the generators early enough to be reported on on January 25..... the UFO event was on January 28, 2011.
     
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    Exactly!!!!!!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...k-runs-on-nato.399364/page-17#post-1064839618

     
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