Covid-19 is here to stay

ALL IS NOT HUNKEY-DORY IN AMERICAN POLITICS

Whether it is the Replicants or the Dems doing it, the meet-up with voters is called Freedom of Speech. If invited, they have have every right to promote their candidate for whatever office, if invited to do so.

You have a very limited understanding of how politics works in a democracy.

PS: The real problem with American democracy, is that the voters do not get off their fat-asses and into a voting booth. The most pertinent factor in voting-turnout is ... age!

I frankly find it is entirely fair and honest that the educated have a natural preponderance of voting.

Regardless of preponderance, we as a nation - due to unfair vote-counting by the Electoral College - are still capable of sending to the White House a Donald Dork. The pure, unmanipulated popular-vote is the one-and-only measure of a truly free and fair vote of any candidate for public-office.

And it's a Great Shame we-the-sheeple have not been voting in that manner for more than two centuries.

Worth a good read - this WikiPedia article: Corruption in the United States

MY POINT

All is not well due to significant voting-manipulation in American politics. And we-the-sheeple are paying the consequences! Take the example of Donald Dork who reduced yet-again upper-income taxation in order to generate revenues for his reelection. Enough is enough!

PS: Also worth a good read (about the question of whether tax-cuts are worthwhile): Did the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act Pay for Itself in 2018?
PPS: Which leads ipso-facto to the more general question: Why does more than half of all National Expenditure go to just one agency - the DoD.?Where's the war or threat of war upon the homeland? Neither exist in any great measure that justifies the enormous waste of tax-dollars on the DoD! The use of which can be better employed elsewhere at home!

 

What is happening has done so before in the US - but so long ago and we never learned the right lessons. A history of mankind shows similar epidemics throughout mankind's history on earth. It is sporadic, yes, but nothing new.

There is a well-performed essay of the question, but it is very heavy reading. Found here - Siting Epidemic Disease: 3 Centuries of American History

An abstract:

 

You heard. You heard.

Do you really understand how rumors get around? By people like you who repeat them on the Internet! That's how!

Let those who work to present properlly the news to "vet the rumors'" rather than pushing them along here!

This is a DEBATE FORUM - and not a Message Board ... !

 

. America has a bigger population than any other country on that chart so of course we have more deaths. Feel free to try again.

 

You are aware that death isnt the only risk here right? It could be rain damage. It could be permanently scared lungs that lower your breathing capacity by 50%.

Many of those who "recover" are left with permanent impairments.

 

I am not convinced that we are "over the hilltop" on this pandemic. Rates are mildly up in both France and Germany both of which have come out of lock-down. People seem to feel that summer is their sacred vacation-time and they are going to crowd the beaches because that is what they usually do on vacation in southern Europe.

We shall see if this pandemic is over. We shall see ....

To wit, from the Atlantic here:

What does that lateness mean? It means we must stop thinking of who to blame. That person is obvious - s/he sits in the Oval Office.

He should have sounded the alarm-whistle rather than relegating the impending danger to nothingness. This is what Europe did and because of the early-alarm it has come away with a lower per capita death rate. Better safe than sorry. Always and particularly with regard to pandemics.

You want this guy to lead the country for another four years? If so, you clearly need your head examined ...

 

We have fewer people than Europe.

And, Europe beats us by FAR AND AWAY in controling COVID19:


Why are we so much WORSE than Europe?

Why are we not studying Europe's example to follow here?

Whe are we giving the economies of China and Europe a head start on our own by failing to control this virus? I mean, Trump is doing NOTHING to defend America against COVID. In fact, he's holding rallies, demanding states allow events and practices that are know to promote contagions, refusing to put effort into supplying needed testing, etc. Now, he's pushing to infect our kids!

 

Europe as a whole is not an apples to apples comparison. The US is one country with the travel and commerce that comes with that. We are in Arizona one day and NY the next. Business, family, vacation, school etc spreads the virus.

 

Europe is denser than the USA, making it easier for the US to control, as separation is more natural.

Europe has more population than the USA, thus the same infection rate would make Europe have more cases - not fewer.

People in Europe have business and private lives, too. Their travel and business activity is no more limited than is our state to state travel.

We have NO excuse. We actually have an easier situation than does Europe.

 

You just said I have no fricking idea about Europe, done not very elegantly

 

Only 70,00 new cases in one day. This what president Trump calls a few embers. I am so sick of this idiot.

 

Europeans are not as mobile throughout Europe as Americans are throughout the US. Try again.

 

Sorry but no way is the entire population of Europe an apples to apples comparison to the United States.

 

Wrong, as I said you have no idea about Europe.

Try again

 

Obviously you don't understand America and Americans and our love of freedom to travel. Europeans are largely staying put as we vacation. A good example is two national parks I recently visited that are usually packed with foreign accents and languages. Both were packed but it was all Americans.

 

Ya, only Americans are dumb enough to "pack" together during a pandemic....

The "superior" US has a QUARTER of all covid deaths in the world.

 

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Wrong again, you have no idea how much Europeans travel, world wide and within Europe.

That today US-Parks are packed with US-Folks is quiet obvious, the US is a no-go country and US folks are not allowed to travel abroad, restricted, because of Covid.

As I said you have no idea what you are talking about.
By the way I live in CO.

 

That's just plain false.

Europe is smaller in terms of land area, has a LOT more people, and EU citiens can travel throughout with nothing to even slightly slow them down. They have hugely effective public means of transportation. They are a well integrated in terms of enterprise.

 

If you want to deny that you're going to have to come up with some justification.

And, it better be terrific, because the diffrence in success against COVID19 is SPECTACULAR - with the US simply failing (other than in NY, NJ, MA and a few others) and Europe making HUGE progress.

And, our response to Europe's progress has been to ignore it - which is NOT an acceptable response.

 

Of course, it is Here to Stay..

Mask-wearing will be a permanent thing until we get a vaccine.

Next Summer will most likely be another washout.

The earliest we may possibly get "back to normal" is Spring 2022.

^That is probably a Best Case Scenario (at this point).

 

What Europe has done seems promising.

If we can't accomplish that, I suspect it will hurt our economic competitiveness even further than that into the future, as we'll be facing constraints not faced in other significant economies.

Trump seems to think that economic competitiveness and COVID are two totally separate issues. And, that is probably due in part to wanting his own reelection to be about the economy.

But, I don't see a way for the issues to be separate. Our economy will be impacted by COVID until we get reasonable control (by vaccines, super duper treatments, full cooperation on behavior, or whatver).

 

Even with an election change, we won't have federal level leadership on COVID until mid January.

We still won't have a vaccine by then, and when one is developed there is still the issue of production, distribution, and what ti will take to get one - when the entire population of the world needs one. In fact, it could be the morally correct decision to get those most harmed vaccinated first - poor commuities, Hispanics required to work in unsafe conditions, etc.

 

US-folks can only vacation, at the present, in the US. Every country, including the EU ( 27 countries ) has closed its borders for US citizens.
In the EU, 27 countries the borders are open and the EU has a list of 14 countries, to which EU citizens can travel, without return restrictions.
The US does not fall under the EU criteria. If you are a EU citizens and you return from the US, if you can find a flight, you go immediately for 2 weeks into quarantine, they are waiting for you at the gate and you have to pay for that quarantine.
You can travel to France, Germany, Italy, Spain or what ever if you are a European citizens, without restriction, no immigration or border checks, like me going from CO to NM.
Pre Corona a flight ticket, Frankfurt to Lisbon was 100 Euro, around 90 bucks and so on and so on.

 

True.

Even WITH a Vaccine, 2021 could be a Total Washout.

As far as things like Vegas Reopening with shows, Crowded Nightclubs, and Crowded Concerts (and Sports Venues)--that might not happen again until 2022 (if ever).

^That is a Given (and this point). And, Everybody KNOWS that.