Covid-19 is here to stay

True that and rather sad.
Maybe if Trump and Pence get it Pelosi could right the ship some how.

Just kidding, but hope never dies.

 

Yes - we've made ourselves third world wrt COVID for the present time.

We have work to do.

And, we don't have leadership interested in doing that work.

 

Sadly that is the truth

Bunker Boy needs a cap made out of Leopard skin

 

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You have no idea how America is so much different than Europe or you do but don’t care to admit it

 

Your opinion is wrong

 

Again your opinion is wrong

 

You’re still not getting it. We are one country with a culture of interstate travel and immigration. Covid was widely spread here because people from hot spots like NY ran to their second homes from Florida to Vermont. Our children party across America on a spring break and our citizens protest in the streets shoulder to shoulder. None of this is anyone’s doing but our own .

 

One big thing you missed is Europe’s individual countries were until recently not allowed to travel to other countries in Europe so you and others claiming they travel like we do between states is demonstrably wrong.
“Since March 17, travel restrictions have prevented all leisure travel into 30 European countries.

“Many of them also put up temporary border controls stopping all but essential travel among fellow Europeans.”




https://www.forbes.com/sites/tamara...urope-travel-50-countries-ban-us-america/amp/


Game set match. Now run along.

 

I think after 35 years in the US, I understand.

 

Well argued LOL!!!

 

Just using your tactic but here’s the facts that destroys your argument.

 

Now back to reality.

 

You still do not get it, don't you. It has nothing to do with one country. It has to do with freedom of movement. Austrians ski resorts, became the hot spot and super spreader for the EU. Ever heard about Ischgil and the surrounding ski resorts.
They spread the virus all over Europe, because Europeans travel, interstate, have always done so.
When I was 18, long time ago, I had been to every, Western and Eastern European country, even behind the Iron Curtin, when I was 28 I had been working and visiting in 30 countries out side of Europe.

People in Germany have second homes in, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and so on. There is millions of Germans, French, Spanish, Uk, or what ever country they come from who have 2 or 3 homes some were in Europe. That is nothing special.

As I said you have no idea.

Advice : travel when the crap is over.

 

You wandered off topic - the issue is whether that is somehow different in Europe.

And, the answer is that it absoltuely is not.

In fact, we're more isolated than they are. Outside of Mexico and Canada, you have to cross an OCEAN to get here. And, anyone wanting to travel between our coasts faces mountain ranges and vast flat plaens and deserts that are hardly populated - that is, we're less dense.

From Europe, there is quick, cheap and easy travel to all sorts of cool places.

Plus, note that Italy got hit hard by travel intereaction with China - there was plenty of significant travel interaction.

Suggesting we travel more than Europe does and are thus more vulnerable just doesn't make sense.

 

So when I informed you Europeans had banned travel from one country to another it went right over your head. WOOOSH!

 

LOL!!

More and more vacuum.

 

Europe banned travel from country to country. Your whole argument has gone up in smoke. Have a good evening licking your wounds. Good night and I hope you learned something

 

Besides the fact that you couldn’t have done that post Covid when travel was banned why have you lived in America 35 years if you hate the US and love Europe so much?

 

Yes - they took actions that we didn't take!!

Good LORD. The whole point of looking at Europe is to see what policy differences have made them so dramatically more successful that the USA has been.

And, one of those differences IS travel restrictions.

Europe is even more oriented to travel than we are.

But, as a COVID defense they reduced that.

We could have dont that, too, but we did not. And, that IS oe of the reasons we suck so bad by comparison.

 

And now he admits freedom of travel was the deciding factor as I’ve said all along . Like pulling teeth but I got him there. Lmao

 

Noboy SHOULD be able to do that post COVID. What's your point with that?

And, your love hate thing is just as ludicrously backward - wanting the US not to get shown up by Europe is a sign of LIKING America.

 

Feel free to tell us how fifty governors should have could have sealed their borders.

 

NO! I absolutely did NOT say that.

The points about travel are that Europe is at least as oriented to travel as we are - if not more so.

We have every opportuity to implement the various elements that Europe is doing to combat COVID.

I have ALWAYS been in favor of the US doing something about the travel we allow.

And, I've pointed out that epidemiologists have significant evidence that the strains of COVID rampant in the US came from Europe through New York. Only WA and CA have noticeable amounts of COVID strains that arrived from China direct - more evidence of travel being a serious factor.

But, I have never suggested that travel is the only issue. And, I have always pointed out that we've had the opportunity to be just as draconian about travel as has been Europe.

What Europe has done has not been limited to travel restrictions.

 

There isn't just one level or metod for reducing travel.

Suggesting that sealing state borders is the only way to go makes no sense AT ALL. It's a suggestion designed to imply impossibility.

There are all sorts of conrol points related to travel - airports, car rental, hotels and other domiciles, etc. There are possibilities reslated to corporate travel.

Also, travel could have been reduced by limiting points of iterest - such as closing Mardi Gras, Florida beaches, and other travel targets.

But, even more importantly leadership could have been applied. Travel could have been reduced simply by promoting a clear case against travel to the American people.

Through March there had been something like 40,000 passenter arrivals from China with no requirement or provision for quarantine. And, when we shut down travel fro Europe we caused huge tightly packed crowds in airports that totally overwhelmed TSA from doing so mush as taking temperatures - and again with no quarantine policy.


We just totally muffed travel, and we continue to do so.