COVID-19 Proves It: We Need Medicare-for-All

Clearly, it's way too late now. We have the for profit model, and we're stuck with it.

You're right that with such an event as this, there are going to be problems no matter which model.

What's interesting is how the Chinese socialized medicine model coped with the event better than we have, or so it seems.

 

The youth — who have likely never been involved in a major election — “made bad choices”?

What bad choice did they make exactly?
Being born to irresponsible parents and grandparents?

 

Add in costs of the VA, pensions, and hidden military budgets and try again. It is the largest single item of our budget when you give it’s true costs.

 

That’s laughably false.
How much has the war on terror and war on drugs cost this nation?

 

Wrong. Medicare sn

Social programs (SS, Medicare, Medicaid) are 61% of all spending.

All military spending (defense, pensions, VA) is 30%.

 

Nothing compared to entitlements. It’s not even close.

 

And driven at bureaucratic discretion.

If we are keeping tallies, the Obama era Medicare denials alone killed many more that what the Corvid19 has in the US so far.

Not to mention what the blood bank closings caused... Hint: The traffic accident mortaltiy rates did not go up because of stand alone cell phone texting.

 

Wrong

Medicare and Social Security cannot be included (if you basing your arguments on logic and sound principles) as they are paid for programs taken out of the recipients working career. If you remove either program, the tax receipts dry up and people such as yourself die unless they have significant savings.

The military is the largest unfunded by a significant margin.

 

Funded, unfunded, whatever.

We spend twice as much on social programs than the military.

 

Yeh, whatever, you have already stated you don’t care because none of it will impact you. So “whatever”

We spend twice as much on keeping people from starving and with a roof over their head than we do blowing innocent foreign nationals up? Invading countries and destabilizing their government? Spending it on battleships that cannot even fire their main weapon?

That is such a pity, it should be ten times.

 

Blah, blag, blag, lefties never let a crisis go to waste. "I have a tummy ache so we need medicare for all".....

 

The whole house of cards will come down because we can’t afford it. Our greedy social programs will destroy future generations.

 

And what generation caused this?
Older people have absolutely destroyed the once great nation that was handed to them by their ancestors that fought to make the US the world leader.

 

Correct. FDR and LBJ and their henchmen. They gave us this massive government that we can’t afford.

 

How come is it that we can afford trillions for bailouts, trillions for wars but can't afford to take care of our own people?

 

Exactly. It seems we live in a world where the true value of ones employment is only measure when we need it most. With healthcare workers, it often comes when there is less money to pay them.....recessions, war and now, pandemics.
Single payer done right frees more money for training and education and pay for healthcare workers.

 

Oh, the one you’re soon going to depend upon for a cure of a virus and your unemployment checks ? Guess you forgot the numbers that die during republican lead recessions without SS and medical care.

Medicare is cheaper then private insurance, SS is more dependable then any retirement dependent upon the market. How are your stocks doing while your SS checks keep rolling in ?

 

Republican trickledown economics and recessions.

 

Then Nixon took us off real money.
And it's exploded ever since

 

Medicare is subsidized by private insurance and (massively) by taxpayers.

 

The Pentagon has never submitted to a formal audit.

An informal audit conducted by professors and students 2 years ago by MSU covering only publicly available information showed the amount unaccounted for to be about $23 trillion, approximately the same as the national debt.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kotlik...-hiding-21-trillion-in-spending/#5c616a6e4a73

 

Is it better for the government of a democratic country to subsidize public health or endless wars brought under deception?

 

It’s not subsidized what so ever by private insurance. You have it backwards. Like wise, Obamacare increased the number of insured by the tens of thousands. The reverse is true. Medicare only covers the most at risk patients, the elderly. Their needs per patient are much more expensive.
The overhead is six times as much for the insurer and the billing process for providers with hundreds of different plans and venders costs providers more to process as well.

why don’t you check their profits, up 29%
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/05/top...it-surge-29-percent-to-6-billion-dollars.html

 

Neither.

Medical care/insurance should be privatized to maximize care and medical innovation.

We shouldn't fight wars unless: 1) it’s vital to our national interest, AND 2) we go in with everything we have.

 

Providers charge higher amounts for self-pay or private insurance. This allows them to accept 20 cents on the dollar from Medicare and Medicaid.