COVID protections eliminated a strain of flu

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  1. Bowerbird

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    All flu viruses are airborne. Yamagata is a B strain influenza virus.

    How Flu Spreads | CDC
    • Flu is caused by influenza virus of Class A, B and C. Flu spreads directly or indirectly from airborne droplets produced during sneezing or coughing.
    "People with flu can spread it to others. Most experts think that flu viruses spread mainly by droplets made when people with flu cough, sneeze, or talk. These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby (usually within about 6 feet away) or possibly be inhaled into the lungs. Less often, a person might get flu by touching a surface or object that has flu virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes."
     
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    If they are predominantly carried by aerosol particles as is the case for Covid then surgical masks do not protect or prevent.
     
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    Yes they do. Deep sigh, awaits yet again more batshit about masks.

    Watch some videos and learn how they do:

     
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    We have been through this many times.

    N95 is not a surgical mask. And the tests showing that the N95 mask eliminates aerosol particles from either passing into or out of the space between the face and mask had the N95 glued to the face. The transmission of aerosols through surgical masks is much higher than 50%. People breath at a rate of ~ 15 X per minute. All this clearly shows that surgical masks do not stop the spread of covid aerosols particles. That is science and mathematics. The claim that masks protect has undoubtedly resulted in many infections of people who believed that they were protected or that the wearing of a mask protected someone at high risk to covid. There was never any rule/law requiring that N95 masks be used exclusively. And if there was that would not protect or prevent unless the N95 mask was glued onto to everyone.
     
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    Again we have been through this. And data has been shown from scientific studies indicating that practically speaking most of the virus is carried attached to aerosol particles from normal breathing and not from coughing or sneezing.

    And as has been shown most of the transmission occurs during normal breathing when aerosol particles are produced which pass right through surgical masks.
     
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    And of course any so called analysis which considers only one breath is meaningless. It is the accumulated concentration of aerosol particles carrying virus which is important.

    So again it has been shown that masks do not protect or prevent. Reliance and/or belief that they do will lead to infections of individuals at very high risk to covid and tragic but avoidable consequences.
     
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    they help, even just covering your mouth helps when you sneeze or cough - not 100% for sure, but helps
     
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    People who are coughing should stay home. How does a paper mask stop a cough from blowing out the sides of the paper mask.
     
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    Do you mean the disposable mask that everyone kept re-wearing that was supposed to be for one time use that they kept wearing improperly and then touching all over them and then all over everything else with their contaminated hands?

    They might be of some value to a medical professional who wears them properly but not for someone who hasn't the slightest clue about cross-contamination which would be the vast majority of people that were going around wearing them
     
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    It is a strain of the flu :roll: try reading the linked article because I am running out of roll eye emojis

    And yes the flu is spread by aerosol
     
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    so do you think covering the mouth does nothing and we should not teach our children to cover their mouths anymore
     
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    That is not what I said.
     
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    And aerosols go right through surgical masks. How do surgical masks protect and prevent?
     
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    You mean the thing that actually worked no matter how ineptly the hard of thinking carried it out?

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    Strangely masks also helped during the Spanish Flu but then the R0 of the Flu is much lower than that of Covid
     
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    oh, I thought maybe you disagreed with what I said, that is why I asked, so you do agree with what I said?

     
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    How did the primitive masks of the early 20th century which which aerosol particles pass through help during the Spanish flu epidemic which killed ~ 40 million people in 1918 - 1920?
     
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    It is the normal breath that is the problem. Most of the virus is transmitted through normal breathing.
     
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    Answer your own questions. The discussion here is about the ineffectiveness of masks.
     
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    and a hand covers the mouth less than a mask, so does covering the mouth during a cough or sneeze help, if so then a mask can help too

    seems to fit the discussion to me....
     
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    Common Sense should tell anyone that a mask being used improperly is a source of cross-contamination.

    You explain to me how someone could be touching all over the mask and then using that same hand to touch other surfaces and possibly be not cross-contaminating those surfaces with whatever they picked up off the surface of the mask.
     
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    Normal breathing doesn't emit much virus. Talking, singing and other vocalization are what really produce a fog of particles. Noisy bars, restaurants and social gatherings, where people talk loudly face-to-face were especially dangerous. There was a family in NJ where several siblings died of Covid after a family gathering attended by a sick person. There was a church choir in Washington state that had many members die.

    Mask tell other people to keep away and help enforce social distancing. They remind the wearer to never touch their face. And they stop the bigger droplets and mist emitted when talking.
     
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    That is not true. Most virus is emitted via aerosol particles when breathing normally.
     

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