COVID protections eliminated a strain of flu

I wore (don't now) a P100 respirator...



... and protected others by not getting covid.

 

Just another thing to add about masks. The virus gets a ride on the aerosols/droplets we naturally breathe out. They don’t’ travel all by themselves. If you wear a mask for a bit of time, you notice it gets damp. Why is that? Because it’s stopping the aerosols/water droplets which means virus particles are being stopped as well. This decreases the amount of virus particles being put out into the air which means less of a chance of being infected. Why refuse to wear a mask if you are infected? You may not stop or prevent people from being infected, but you lessen the chances. If one person doesn’t get infected due to mask wearing, then that means two more people don’t get infected, which means four more don’t get infected and so on and so on. It boggles the mind that over one million people died in the US and that started with one infection. The same goes for the world. One person got infected, over 7 million died. It boggles the mind that people don’t even want to at least try to stop the spread of the virus via masks, how selfish can you be? You have probably killed a few people along the way just by refusing to cover your mouth.

 

They actively prevented the public from accessing readily available domestically produced and NIOSH certified N95 masks for 9 months.

They still haven’t educated the public on mitigations related to lifestyle choices that are more effective than masking and vaccination. What’s crazy is those same mitigations increase efficacy of vaccination so they are intentionally depriving even vaccinated individuals of added protection.

It’s freaking bizarre we still refer to them as public health entities. They are the opposite.

 

Think of all the people the CDC and folks like Fauci killed by telling people not to wear masks during that most critical time period where few were infected. Think of all the people they killed by depriving people of N95 masks for 9 months after manufacturers had so much unsold oversupply they were going bankrupt!

And these were educated, informed epidemiologists that KNEW their advice would kill people. And you give them a pass and complain about people that listened to them when they said masks were of little value and ineffective masks were as good as N95 type masks. Blame people who have no educational basis on which to form correct positions while completely giving a pass to “public health” officials that intentionally misled these innocent people.

Sad. Sad. Sad.

 

The only thing that is "sad" is the way any/all conspiracy theorists take a "fact" and refuse at all costs to consider context!

CNN fact check - Did Fauci say not to wear masks?
"While Fauci, along with several other US health leaders, initially advised people not to wear masks, Fauci later said that he was concerned that there wouldn’t be enough protective equipment for health care workers. This was also early in the pandemic before public health experts fully knew how contagious the disease was and how it spread.

Fauci explained that at that time, “we were not aware that 40 to 45% of people were asymptomatic, nor were we aware that a substantial proportion of people who get infected get infected from people who are without symptoms. That makes it overwhelmingly important for everyone to wear a mask.”

“So when people say, ‘Well, why did you change your stance? And why are you emphasizing masks so much now when back then you didn't -- and in fact you even said you shouldn't because there was a shortage of masks?’ Well the data now are very, very clear,” he said.

“We need to put that nonsense behind us about ‘well, they keep changing their minds,’ ” Fauci said.

As to Fauci’s other comments, while he occasionally sought to reassure Americans in the very early days of the virus, he consistently advised to follow CDC guidelines and that things could change. "

 

LOL. Your opinions are noted. Remember I already laid out the facts. Here they are again.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1074686980/

This quote from CNN contains disinformation. I’ve bolded two specific points of disinformation.

Compare the bolded from CNN to the bolded text above of verifiable government data and peer reviewed studies of actions in Asia months before Fauci first lied about masks.

How did Asian epidemiologists take the correct actions on masks based on AVAILABLE evidence months before Fauci made the wrong call? Is Fauci stupid or did he lie? It’s one of the other.

None of what I post is conspiracy. It’s based on verifiable government data and PEER REVIEWED studies. You have the unsubstantiated opinion of journalists at CNN. I’ll go with peer reviewed research every time.

Sad you don’t like evidence produced through application of the scientific method. Truly sad.

 

Comparing a nation with a province of another nation is meaningless.

 

No it does not. A person at high risk needs absolute protection. A person at very very low risk needs no protection. And a person at high risk who believes that surgical and cloth masks will protect them because government public health officials indicate that to be true are victims of both the virus and government.

 

Oh I get it, a person at low risk needs no protection so they can get mild Covid and then pass it on to high risk people because they don’t have the ability to think critically. I haven’t met one high risk person, and I have met a lot, who have put their faith in masks alone. The true victims are the ones at the mercy of people like yourself.

 

No. A person with high risk needs absolute protection. Those older that 65 and who has one or more of the CDC listed preconditions (such as sickle cell anemia, pre diabetes, diabetes, asthma, obesity, COPD, cystic fibrosis, lung cancer, pulmonary hypertension, pulmonary embolism, ..) must be very careful. And the people who are around them must also be very careful. The true victims are those who think that masks will protect them from covid infection because the preceding was known but not blasted repeatedly over all possible mass media and government communications channels. Give people accurate information and they are perfectly capable of protecting themselves.

 

A silly, dismissive comment. Five million people live in British Columbia.



https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/

British Columbia has its own healthcare system.

Covid killed Americans at more than four times the rate it killed British Columbians.

 

So what? 350 milliion people live in the US. In the US ~ 90% of deaths with covid occurred in people 65 and older. In the US ~ 95% of deaths with covid ocurred in people with one or more of the CDC listed preconditions. In the US ~ 40% of death with covid occurred in nursing homes. How do the statistics breakdown in BC?

 

What's that!? Some meaningless statistics! This thread has turned into yet another anti-mask debate. The bottom line as always is that masks offer a level of protection. If everyone wore one, then that level gets increased. It is utterly moronic to claim that every vulnerable person should get 100% protection.

REAL statistics say some protection is better than none. In a room full of people wearing masks the vulnerable person has an improved chance of not catching the virus!



Should we tell the 0-64 year olds not to worry because of your daft and irrelevant statistics?

WHAT IS YOUR POSITION!?

Yes or no, should people wear masks?

 

Those are statistics for the US.

It’s a personal decision.

 

95.5% of the covid deaths in BC were over the age of 65 whereas it was 80% in this country. A lot of younger Americans have died because of our inadequate healthcare system for everyday folks--you know, the MAGA types who support the Orange Oaf.



I hope for your sake you have enough money to purchase good healthcare, especially if Republicans/Trump get in and kill off Obamacare subsidies. They tried in 2017 and failed when John McCain walked to the front of the Senate and voted against the Republican/Trump American Healthcare Act.

 

Okay let’s compare nation to nation - ooops! Sorry!

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...ple in the U.S. and peer countries, 2020-2021
was going to do Aus versus the USA but that looks a little unfair

 

Preconditions??

The respective healthcare systems have nothing to do with covid mortality.

 

Preconditions and age?

 

Stop yanking everybody's chain! What is your "position"!?

Yes or no, should people wear masks?

 

What a ridiculous thing to say — “a person with high risk needs absolute protection.” Just how does that work? Lock up all the high risk people and then let them have no contact with anybody at all because that would confer ‘absolute’ protection.

Of course, people at high risk “must be careful” but part of that involves other people around them being careful as well. Being low risk was not an excuse for not wearing a mask during the pandemic because people were highly contagious previous to showing any symptoms and being out and about maskless could have caused others to get ill. If everybody wore a mask, the chances of getting ill was less.

During a pandemic of a respiratory illness, everybody should wear a mask to lessen the transmission of the virus. Do you not understand that high risk people depended on everybody to at least try to protect them and that included the wearing of masks. During the pandemic, governments were doing their best to keep infected people away from each other — quarantines for those exposed and for those infected. Limiting the number people that could get together and so forth. Those who had covid symptoms were told to stay home. The problem was all the people walking around with covid and being infectious prior to symptoms starting or because they remained asymptomatic. Wearing masks, social distancing, keeping the hands germ free were the recommendations of governments worldwide. Without the protective measures, many more would have died. Hopefully, governments around the world have learned a thing or two and will be ready the next time around with free N95 masks etc. Unfortunately, they will still have to deal with people who want to risk the health of everyone because they buy into ridiculous mask misinformation based on politics not health.

You are absolutely wrong in your misinformed statements that masks don’t protect from or prevent covid. Masks have two purposes. They decrease the amount of virus released into the air, and they protect someone from breathing in the virus from the air. Of course they aren’t perfect and different types provide different amounts of protection. Most transmission of the virus occurs in places where masks are rarely worn — the home for one. There are different factors that have to be considered when looking at protection — how intensely the virus is spreading, the setting (indoors vs outdoors), how many people are actually wearing masks in the environment, how consistently they are being worn, and if they are being worn correctly.

During the pandemic mask use was associated with a 9% reduction in symptomatic covid infections and a 35% reduction among people aged 60 or older.

You can moan and whine about the government all you want but the suggestion to wear masks as a public health measure was the correct one to help reduce transmission. It was a public health measure and one aimed at protecting the population. It didn’t help that your idiot president at the time mocked mask wearing.

Public Health in England looked at the issue of mask wearing quite seriously — https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...statement-from-the-respiratory-evidence-panel

Let’s revisit the comment above just to make it clear. It’s erroneous because everybody should protect themselves from illness and one way to do so is to wear a mask. A lot of ‘low risk’ people are now walking around with damage done by the virus in the form of long covid because they believed they didn’t need to wear a mask. In addition, the point of low risk people wearing masks is to protect those who are high risk. Masks are protective and it’s people like you who are potentially putting others at risk. You seem ignorant of the facts related to masks, what is protective, what actions confer greater protection and so forth. You make it all about the government but it’s not really — it’s about the individual choices people make and how individual choices affect others. It’s obvious some people choose to be selfish over a piece of cloth and to justify their selfishness they repeat misinformation they need to believe in to avoid cognitive dissonance.

Do you remember saying:

 

Even more significant, they're wrong. We have a lot of deaths of people under 65. @AFM doesn't care about deaths of seniors (see Msg. #62), but he's mistaken about the number of U.S. covid deaths of younger prople.

From the standpoint of comfort, I'd rather wear this P100 respirator...



... than a surgical mask. The P100 respirator filters 99.97% of particles the size of the coronavirus (Brownian motion takes care of the smallest virus particles).

There's clear evidence surgical masks cut transmission.

They should wear some sort of PPE when practicable. (You can't eat through a mask.) Rather than mandate masks, how about promoting the use of $25 respirators like the P100 I used?

 

You were wrong about the deaths in those under 65. Does that bother you?

 

People at high risk to covid should wear a properly fitted P100 mask. People at low risk should wear masks at their discretion. That’s about as clise to absolute protection as you can get.

 

Preconditions??

 

People at high risk to covid should wear a properly fitted P100 mask. People at low risk should wear masks at their discretion. That’s about as close to absolute protection as you can get.

What’s the optimal protection for high risk individuals. One high risk person with a P100 in a room with 10 maskless infected persons or one high risk with 10 infected low risk people all with surgical masks on?

The answer is obvious.