COVID protections eliminated a strain of flu

Someone who has a deeper understanding of epidemiology than the vast majority of “healthcare professionals”.

 

I don't know about the with covid death rate.

Part of the problem counting covid deaths in BC is the BC government changing reporting from dying from covid to dying with covid. Essentially, the government wanted to deprive opponents, especially those in their own party, from having information needed to press a case for more covid mitigation measures. The actual number of covid deaths (ie. dying from covid) is lower than it appears after the BC government changed the way covid deaths were counted.

All that said, BC has a low death rate because Canada had a high vaccination rate when covid was a greater threat.

 

How does the vaccination rate in BC compare to Sweden?

Most people (~95%) of people die because of their very serious health conditions which magnifies the effects of the relatively mild covid virus. They die with covid.

The majority of people dying with covid now have been vaccinated and boosted. They trusted that vaccination would protect them.

 

BC is higher than Canada.

The vaccines cut the infection severity.

Or from it.

This from Canada.




The completely unvaccinated are 20% of the population and they do 47.6% of the dying.

You might note that older seniors are almost always vaccinated.

Here's the covid deaths by age group in the U.S.



About 1/3 of deaths are between 50-74. A lot of people died because they didn't get vaccinated.

 

The above data show ~ 80% above 65. The below references data from the CDC.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/90-covid-deaths-occurring-elderly-adults-cdc/story?id=94211121


https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Week-Sex-and-Age/vsak-wrfu/data

 

What a ridiculous statement. When a person who has cancer dies because they caught the covid which developed into pneumonia, they didn’t die with covid. They died from the pneumonia that the covid caused. The cancer or cancer treatment would have weakened their body which could have caused the death from pneumonia. When a person who was obese contracted Covid and died, they didn’t die ‘with’ Covid. They died because they contracted a virus which directly caused their death. They would have lived if they didn’t contract the virus. When an otherwise healthy 75 year contracts covid and dies, they didn’t die of old age, they died from the virus. If they hadn’t contracted the virus, they would not have died. If a healthy person with diabetes contracts covid and dies, they didn’t die from the diabetes, they died because of contracting a virus. It’s just as equally true that if a person has covid and dies in a head-on car crash, they died from the car crash and died ‘with’ covid.

It’s incredibly difficult for people who have had friends and family die from contracting covid to hear the cause of death being diminished by statements like they died ‘with’ covid. It’s appropriate to acknowledge the actual cause of death.

The majority of high-risk people who contract covid these days are being protected by the vaccines and boosters.

 

When a hemophiliac dies of a small cut they didn't die due to the small cut. Healthy people would not die from a small cut. The actual cause of death is hemophlilia.

The type of cancer which result in high risk to covid are the hematologic cancers which can be classified into three categories: leukemia, lymphoma, and multiple myeloma.

People who have lost loved ones clearly understand that the serious preconditions caused the deaths of very sick individuals who contracted a virus which was the small cut.

 

What are you even arguing about!? You were just corrected. You made a wrong statement. Instead of rightly acknowledging the correction, you double-down on some random irrelevant nonsense. ALL cancer is a problem for people catching the virus! It weakens the immune system. Period.
Which cancer type has the highest risk of COVID-19 infection? - PMC (nih.gov)
"Our pan-cancer analysis by using TIMER [4] showed that the expression levels of ACE2 in Esophageal carcinoma (ESCA), Kidney renal papillary cell carcinoma (KIRP), Lung adenocarcinoma (LUAD), Uterine Corpus Endometrial Carcinoma (UCEC) are high. Similarly, TMPRSS2 levels in Kidney Chromophobe (KICH), Prostate Adenocarcinoma (PRAD), Uterine Corpus Endometrial Carcinoma (UCEC) are also increased; hence the risk of COVID-19 infection in patients with these tumors is higher. We also found that only UCEC is co-expressing ACE2 and TMPRSS2 receptors; therefore, patients with UCEC carry the highest risk of COVID-19 infection (Fig. 1 )."

Why don't you and argue about everything with the other poster currently active and arguing with mask wearing? I'm fairly sure none of the people, currently arguing quite rightly for mask usage and vaccines, have the slightest clue what "position" the pair of you are taking! Maybe you can iron it out amongst yourselves?

 

I have posted information directly from the CDC.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/underlyingconditions.html

 

For COVID… they were useless. This one you pointed out was already declining. I believe this is a very presumptuous statement

 

Great, more crappy bare-assertion. No they weren't. It's posts like yours that could cost lives.

 

You've gotta love this. He posts data from the CDC and declares it to be THE fact. Here we go again with more thread derailing! Of course that data is correct, but that looks at the direct impact. The indirect impacts, as stated!, are caused by cancer treatments such as radiation and chemotherapy that also weaken the immune system.And as the study that you ignored stated, these treatments cause the suggested cancers to be worse.

Let's put this crap in context! YOU are suggesting that only those cancers you listed are dangerous to covid-19 sufferers. A complete crock.

Moving on... So now we know the CDC post correct information! and ON TOPIC!

Use and Care of Masks | CDC
"It is important to wear a mask or respirator when you are sick or caring for someone who is sick with COVID-19. When caring for someone who is sick with COVID-19, a respirator will provide you the best level of protection."

Masks and Respirators (cdc.gov)
"Key Messages:

• Masking is a critical public health tool for preventing spread of COVID-19, and it is important to remember that any mask is better than no mask.
• To protect yourself and others from COVID-19, CDC continues to recommend that you wear the most protective mask you can that fits well and that you will wear consistently.
• Masks and respirators are effective at reducing transmission of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, when worn consistently and correctly.
• Some masks and respirators offer higher levels of protection than others, and some may be harder to tolerate or wear consistently than others. It is most important to wear a well-fitting mask or respirator correctly that is comfortable for you and that provides good protection.
• While all masks and respirators provide some level of protection, properly fitting respirators provide the highest level of protection. Wearing a highly protective mask or respirator may be most important for certain higher risk situations, or by some people at increased risk for severe disease.
• CDC’s mask recommendations provide information that people can use to improve how well their masks protect them."

 

Read the CDC link.

 

A hemophiliac wouldn’t die from a small cut to start with. Secondly, there are all sorts of stages of cancer including with leukaemia, lymphoma, and multiple myeloma. I am not just talking about ‘very sick’ people. If a person with any of these types of cancers contracts covid and the covid puts them in hospital and the person dies from pneumonia caused by the covid, not the cancer, then the cause of death would have been covid. Cancer weakens the immune system. If a person with cancer is infected with the virus and doesn’t have any severe symptoms of covid, then death would be attributed to the cancer finishing them off which means it was likely a palliative situation anyways. The point is that it’s ridiculous to say people with preconditions died ‘with’ covid when they clearly died of respiratory arrest caused by the pneumonia that was caused by the covid virus. If a person who has cancer of the liver, and pneumonia from the covid virus, dies of liver failure, the cause of death would be the liver cancer and the covid pneumonia would have been a contributing factor. So cause of death would be liver cancer with covid infection contributing to the death.

People who have lost loved can clearly differentiate whether of not their loved ones died of the precondition or severe covid. It is ridiculous to claim people died ‘with’ covid when it is clearly the cause of death. Many people who were living with health conditions and died because they got covid would have lived otherwise. Many people living with cancer who died after getting covid would have survived their cancer or survived for longer.

If somebody with lymphoma died in a car accident would their loved ones blame the death from cancer? Hardly. I’m pretty sure they can tell the two apart. Sure they died from cancer and died ‘with’ the mortal injuries caused by the car accident. Hardly. There family would say they died in a car accident.

I have never heard the term ‘died with’ used in terms of a death. People can have multiple causes of death or contributing factors and this is clearly indicated on death certificates. . A death certificate indicates the cause of death with contributing conditions listed. Of course, according to you, respiratory arrest caused by covid-19 infection is not a cause of death. Seriously it boggles the mind why it can’t be the cause of death if a person happens to have preconditions. Ridiculous. Just like it’s ridiculous to claim somebody who died in a car accident died from cancer.

Why can’t you even admit that covid directly contributed to the deaths of millions of people who otherwise wouldn’t have died. It seriously is a ridiculous thing to say and insulting to those who have lost friends and family to covid.

 

Wow, great rebuttal. I'll go and read "the CDC link" right now, thanks a million for your recommendation.

And you, can do something you seem to routinely fail to do, answer my post properly! CDC quite unequivocally says masks work and they should be worn. You are quite obviously demonstrating double standards! You cite the CDC for your cancer claim (and fail to incorporate the effects of treatment on other major cancers!) then bafflingly suggest* that masks don't work - as recommended by the CDC!


* since nobody has a clue what you are saying based on your flip-flopping position and vague replies, that is just a supposition!

 

Data is always pertinent.

 

On a debate forum, honest replies are pertinent - useless and evasive one-liners, not so much. Care to try again? Maybe you can clarify your flip-flop vague position that nobody is getting!?

 

Healthcare workers were subject to vaccine mandates despite their intimate knowledge of the relative mild effects of covid to people at very low risk.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/healt...5605248#:~:text=The share of,to 46 percent].”

 

This is an assertion in and of itself. Do you have any study that this particular disease is slowed by any of the precautions taken during COVID? Do you know how far it can travel by are? Do you know the size of the disease to know it capabilities to pass through materials? Do you know how it’s even spread? Your post is nothing but an assertion

being it was on a decline anyway it’s very likely it lost its pathway to infect people for all we know. Hell, global warming could have killed it

 

No it is not! It is a claim based on verifiable citations that have been given in this thread.

Oh back at you with bells on! Show me any study that says masks can't capture viruses because their "holes are too big"! Or whatever denial mechanism you are using.

I know what the expert analysis says. Irrelevant.

Damn right I do! I posted videos explaining how the masks work and a citation about static attraction. The size of the virus in aerosol form varies according to how it is ejected, breath, cough, sneeze.

Yes, I know how it is "even spread"!

Except it isn't.

Yeah, for all YOU know. It was on a "decline" because of social distancing, masks, isolation, vaccines and natural immunity.

Ridiculous.

 

Aerosol particles go right through surgical masks. There is no disputing that.

 

Aerosol particles are stopped by all masks to varying degrees. This means they have varying degrees of effectiveness in stopping the spread. There's no denying THAT!

It would be such a pleasure were you to kindly respond to my post - HERE

 

Not ridiculous. I’m not the one making unsubstantiated claims of this diseases fall. I’m just spreading possibilities just like this “ridiculous” article is.

 

Thanks. You're absolutely right, global warming could have killed it off. Good call. Not ridiculous at all.