DAMNED if we do. DAMNED if we Don't.

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So mature....oh well boys will be boys. So trumplike. Gotta run to save those kids from Hillary’s sex ring in the pizza parlor basement

 

Send me a pizza. I'm hungry.

 

You are the one touting nonsense conspiracy theories - Birther nonsense and Clinton sex parties.

That the Obama administration was arming and supporting Al Qaeda and other extremist Islamist groups of the same ilk is a statement of fact.

13 Bipartisan in Congress cosigned the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" A bill which came about specifically because this is exactly what we were doing in Syria.

You are the one that is inferring that these folks - along with Gabbard and Paul - are involved in some grand conspiracy - by making up a big lie.
Rep. Peter Welch [D-VT-At Large] Yes January 23, 2017
Rep. Thomas Massie[R-KY-4] Yes January 23, 2017
Rep. Barbara Lee [D-CA-13] Yes January 23, 2017
Rep. Walter Jones Jr.[R-NC-3] Yes January 23, 2017
Rep. Thomas Garrett Jr. [R-VA-5] Yes January 23, 2017
Rep. Ted Yoho [R-FL-3] Yes January 23, 2017
Rep. Paul Gosar [R-AZ-4] No February 7, 2017
Rep. Scott Perry [R-PA-4] No February 28, 2017
Rep. John Conyers Jr. [D-MI-13] No March 6, 2017
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher [R-CA-48] No March 29, 2017
Rep. Ro Khanna [D-CA-17] No April 26, 2017
Rep. Bobby Rush [D-IL-1] No April 27, 2017
Rep. Jeff Duncan [R-SC-3] No May 22, 2017
Rep. Peter DeFazio[D-OR-4]


You can add to the Defense intelligence agency and Biden to your list of "conspirators" . The idea that all of the above are involved in some grande conspiracy - one that would ruin their careers if what you are inferring is true - is not common sense.

There are many reasons why Red Establishment does not want this issue brought to the attention of the US public. The number one issue being that many on the Red side were involved and/or complicit.

Regardless - twirling around going "why why why" does not change reality. Time support your conspiracy theory with something substantive rather than engaging in name calling and ad hom.

 

I recommend that you do further research into both articles. Just because the term slave was not used does not mean that there was no slavery. No one besides slaves was treated as PROPERTY.

The REALITY is that by not openly declaring that EVERYONE was a free person entitled to all of the rights under the Constitution it was CONDONING slavery as the only means of reaching a COMPROMISE in order to found the nation. Otherwise there would NEVER have been the United States and the odds are we might still be British subjects.

 

Most Americans don’t think for themselves. They just follow the politics they are told to support. This is why political discussions are so shallow and vapid.

 

Our hidden One Party State at work.

 

100%. Elite elected officials are - for the most part - selected not elected - and the selection process is based on whether or not the individual favors/ agrees with the policies of the big money interests that get them elected.

The Establishment big money interests are not some giant cabal or star chamber however - there are many different big money interests and they have separate agendas and sometimes these agenda's conflict.

These conflicts are what I call "Hot Button Issues" - Abortion, Gay Marriage, "The Wall", Porn, Pot ... and so on. The Establishment money interests do not care much about these issues. They care about power (maintaining the status quo) and money (keeping what they have and making more).

One should then look not to the disagreements to find out what game these interests are playing - but on what they agree. In physics if there are equal but opposite forces on a ball that ball will not move. It is when these forces align in the same direction that the ball moves.

We can then construct a kind of measuring stick - something to measure who is "Establishment" and who is not.- who is basically corrupt and who is not.

So take something on which all should agree .. something that should be non partisan. Ask any US citizen "Should those that would arm and support the 911 terrorist group - Al Qaeda- (or be involved in facilitating these arms transfers) while this group is raping, torturing and killing Christians and other marginalized groups in a foreign land - be put in Jail".

Everyone - sans a few crazies - is going to agree. This should be a no brainer - I mean if we can not separate out evil on this basis - we might as well give up and say that nothing is evil.

Now that we have a measuring stick we can proceed. When the Stop Arming Terrorist Act (an act to prevent the above from happening) came before the house it garnered 13 co-sponsors out of 435.

When Rand Paul introduced the bill into the Senate it got ZERO co-sponsors. Thus out of 535 members of Congress you have 15 (Rand Tulsi and the 13 cosponsors) who managed to pass the test.

15 out of 535 who are not evil and corrupt.

 

You see, I didn't say there was no slavery.

Your second paragraph is exactly what I said.

 

Speak for yourself

 

Trouble maker. lol

 

Doesn’t take a cabal, just assuring those who are selected have reason to be dependent on certain interests.

Many state economies are dependent on military contractor jobs. Political campaigns are grotesquely expensive, resulting in a need for big money contributions. The media is necessary for outreach, and they take lots of advertising dollars from military and pharmaceutical corporations.

This doesn’t become nefarious unless you take the initial financial interest and juxtapose it with the end result. There are many moving parts, allowing justification at each level. Most people are cowards, no surprise politicians lack political courage. So focused on their career, they can’t bear facing the adversity of powerful lobbys.

Just become one of them, and accept the opportunity they give you. Follow the path of least resistance, you will become successful, but will have no legacy.

 

Agreed ... its more like some kind of like hive collective mind than a cabal. There are some groups that are more powerful and dominant than others but there is no single group of people sitting down and running the whole show. I call it an Oligopoly-Bureaucracy Fusion Monster.

It is the natural outcropping of self interest and greed. As you infer it is a pay to play system - if you play - you get paid - and everyone knows it - be it some corporate lobbyist position or a seat on the board of directors.

Every time some regulation or tax law is made some Oligopoly is sitting at the table .. and perhaps has a right to be there. The problem is that the person representing the little people is either in the pocket of or influence by the Oligopoly.

Its not like the Oligopoly wins every table but, over time, table after table - the rules of the game get skewed in favor of the Oligopoly.

How many times have we seen some politician or leader call nefarious practices - price fixing in drugs for example.

Everyone then points to that long voice and says "look look - freedom of speech - what a great system we have". That lone voice is then quickly drowned out by the cacophony on the take .. and the status quo is maintained.

It is not easy to run against a herd of stampeding bulls -shoot the goose laying the golden eggs. It is the natural outcropping of self interest and greed.

 

right .. like it is mature to respond by labeling some poster a trumpette - who believes in wild and crazy conspiracy theories - every time you come across information that conflicts with your perspective that you can't deal with.

 

So to protect our 401k's, we have to vote for a man who has a long history of screwing his employees out of their 401k's?

 

Many other countries, like Brazil and Indonesia, are facing this same dilemma between their country's economy and trying to protect the environment.
In Brazil and Indonesia, due to all the widespread poverty, the economy wins out.

 

The Species worships Ca$h.

 

Chomsky is right on this, you don’t need censorship if you can assure through the selection process that those who get hired will do and say what you want.

The public can influence change, it happens in cycles of every generation. Then the bureaucratic state chips away at those changes over time. But there is a point where it destabilizes, I don’t have confidence in withstanding another major war, and economic mismanagement is hurting, people are sick of it.

Greed and self-interest seek short term gain. Too often ignoring the long term strategy. It’s not a matter of if these things catch up with you, but when.

 

No, what I posted was NOT "exactly" what you said!

This is what you ACTUALLY said!

 

Agreed with respect to Chomsky. At the end of the day extreme capitalism and extreme socialism meet at the far end of the spectrum. In both cases you have a few elite owning most resources and means of production.

We have somehow managed to combine some of the worse elements of both into an ugly beast ... Oligopoly -Bureaucracy fusion monster.

Our economic advantage has been squandered.

 

This is how I often feel about many things concerning neoliberal policies in the economy.

 

It is the CURRENT Republican/Libertarian FISCAL MALFEASANCE that is wrecking our economy and HARMING We the People.

 

There’s that extremism again.i know what we hear about trump is unbelievable but that doesn’t mean they’re not true. I guess it was a conspiracy that Trump didn’t have the largest crowd in history and the largest tax cut in history and the best economy in history. I’m sure he really did but all the lefties are saying he didn’t. We conspired
I never used the word trumpette. The -ette means imitation I do use the word Trumper.is that an insult? It should be

 

Such as?

 

It is not just neoliberal policies though. It is also neoconservative policies. The Establishment is both red and blue.

 

I agree with you that the word "Trumper" is an insult to some .. and you intentionally insult people by using this word when you come across information that you can not handle. Classic Ad Hom fallacy.