Debunked, "Socialism has never worked"

What happens? Major changes in education, entertainment and of course politics. Taking some elected pol to the woodshed is one thing, Putting the fear of God in them is quite another.

 

Prove it. Provide evidence/citations.

 

You forgot an argument. Try again! You're going to struggle mind you.

 

That the is some economic system which eliminates corruption.

 

The "evidence" is that capitalism produced our problems and maintains them, and socialism would have no profit drive and therefore would solve them. What more could you want?

 

What is socialism, if not the desire to receive something for nothing?

 

This goes back to why we do social programs. The intellectual roots are in the Enlightenment, and it would be harder to get farther away from Enlightenment thinking than Hitler.

 

Prove that's what it is. Let's see your evidence.

 

Make the lie big.. (socialism is cool! The govt can enable us to live off everybody else!)

..then repeat it loudly and often, and low information, easily misled bobbleheads will nod in unison to their Indoctrination.

 

NWAR

 

Yeh you’re probably right. But leftist would blow a gasket.

 

Socialism does not eliminate the desire, within people, to improve their lives. Some will resort to corruption.

Simply making a statement, does not make it a factual statement.

 

And thus, you admit....
My definition of socialism is simply a government with robust and effective social programs.
... is invalid.
Thanks.

 

That's true of course! That drives all human progress.

.....--in ANY economic system. And that's why nations have laws.

Then why do you?

 

Also wrong. Its about ensuring the protection of property rights: i.e. workers received the value of their labour. You've already been informed of this.

As I said, you're really going to struggle! The elimination of underpayment is, by definition, elimination of rent.

 

Venezuela is the obvious one.

The people voted for socialist policies because they were promised free stuff. Getting free stuff is getting something for nothing.

 

You can vote yourself into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.

 

And what we're seeing is that capitalism does not and cannot solve such problems.

 

Venezuela is not socialist yet. They are TRYING to create socialism. There, the working class does not yet own and control the MoP.

Prove it. Your opinions are merely your biased perspective.

 

Prove it. Your opinions are merely your biases.

 

"Its about ensuring the protection of property rights..."

How does stealing property protect property rights?

"...i.e. workers received the value of their labour."

What group of bureaucrats can establish value better than an open market?

 

This goes back to why we do social programs. The intellectual roots are in the Enlightenment, and it would be harder to get farther away from Enlightenment thinking than Hitler.

 

Is it then your point, that since capitalism doesn't solve particular problems, we should move to something worse?

 

Of course not.

Now try replying to post 369.

 

You're still not making sense. Market socialism, for example, actually reduces the need for government interventionism. Anti-socialists are, by definition, pro-rent seeking. They ignore that workers do not receive the value of their labour. That is necessarily theft.