Declining support for education in the US

Walker made a career of cuts for teachers in Wisconsin. But its worse elsewhere.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-prepare-to-walk-out/?utm_term=.eb12656c7a66

 

Then get yourselves and your children out of those states.

Teachers can rule state politics if they want to. Utah is a great example, but they won't act on the power they have.

 

Some people are poor.

 

Funny. We spend more now on education than nearly any time in history.

All our kids should be rocket scientist, yet they are not.

Money is not the problem in most cases, but liberals refuse to hear that.

 

the US throws mountains of money at education and consistently gets mediocre results. more money is not the answer.

 

Yesterday Netflix cost me $6.99 and offered an archive of all the shows I wanted to see again.

Today Netflix costs $13.99 and offers a few of the shows I want to see again.

Tomorrow Netflix will cost $19.99 and offer none of the shows I want to see again.

Whats the point of talking about this in a thread about education?

Because just as Netflix wants more money for providing me with less results, so too does our education system.

Today's American public school experience has less in common with the concept of education than it does with the practice of indoctrination.

Pupils are radicalized with anti-American, anti-capitalism, anti-Republican, anti-gun, anti-male, and even anti-White rhetoric.

The curriculum is dumbed down so that exceptional students don't hurt the feelings of lesser capable students, and we all know along which lines this occurs.

Students spend more time being programmed with the coding they need to become angry members of the permanent underclass rather than give the foundation they require in order to one day rise and compete on a national and global stage.

And throughout all of this downward spiral into the ******* the tax payer is told "WE NEED MORE MONEY FOR EDUCATION".

I ditched Netflix because they took my money and gave me garbage.

If only I could ditch the worthless leftist indoctrination factory formally known as the American public education system.

 

Yea, let's teach talking donkeys, talking snakes, women turning into pillars of salt. That should work well.....

 

I was raised in a very, very conservative area by very, very conservative parents. I remember back in the 70's an education was the most important thing the conservatives I knew then thought I could get. Somewhere around the tea party movement thing it seems they found out teachers were in the union and some college professors were teaching something other than the conservative agenda. Boom, suddenly education wasn't that important.

 

It's called being facetious. Stop being so obtuse.

 

My parents also pushed education back in the 1960s and 1970s. But all 4 of us kids got a USEFULL college education, not sandbox crap. I choose to get a degree in Engineering. Good money and relatively a safe career. I did get a masters in Military History. I got it not for employment, but because I have a hobby of Law and military strategy, but it impresses employers because it taught me strategy and tactics, as well as politics and how they happen. Who knew?

Now adays, most kids cannot make it in engineering, because it requires facts and math, design etc, not other studies that do not accomplish much. We also put too much centered on the education and the degree itself, rather than the skills if takes to apply it in a real world situation.

 

Why even bother?

Lets just abort every child and then we wont have to worry about the cost or quality of education!

YEAAAA GOING TO THE EXTREMES WOOOOOOO!!!!

 

Apparently Oklahoma has heard them.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/29/us/oklahoma-arizona-teachers/index.html

 

When teachers earn less than they did decade ago and basic supplies are missing like books, money is a problem.

Conservatives believe you have to pay corporate executives large increases in salary, but not teachers something I have never understood.

 

So where is all the money going?

We pay nearly 8k per student, per year, for public education.

Where isall the money? And please validate your claim that teachers make less now than a decade ago.

 

Teachers have become slaves trafficked in a closed occupation from which there is no escape.

 

Chicago has some of the highest paid teachers with low graduation rates and unfunded pension liabilities.

 

I for one have said corporate executives play a game that pays them far more than they are worth. The problem with schools isn't money, it's where the money is going. I believe I saw a figure for PA that about 25% of the money goes to the classroom, the other 75% is admin cost. The cost of salaries and especially pensions, along with other admin costs. Until you turn that figure around there will never be enough money.

 

http://www.teachingdegree.org/pennsylvania/salary/

Pretty good money for a slave. I bet nearly all slaves would love their pension too.

 

I agree, show me why we spend more per student, and teachers get less?? Who is sucking up the money? When teachers are more concerned with a air soft rifle than teaching English, something is wrong.

 

I think generally our public education is adequate our students perform globally in the top fifty of nations, peers and close non peers, middling but for a ethnically diverse nation with active immigration of foreigners and legal vista holding guest workers we do a good job. Japan has a dwindling younger population and has very low immigration so has few issues compared to us so wouldn't they perform better just due to that?

Now lets look at the issue at hand money, respect for educators and how much parents help educate their children this includes paying more property taxes if needed and factors beyond the parents or schools control.

1. There is far more money per student going to public education than the average good parochial school, but less than some non-religious private schools. My parochial schools I attended each teacher was paid less with less benefits than public schools and had a lot more autonomy to handle their classrooms and they each had a real budget for their classrooms if I recall out of the tuition of ,at the time, $4800 the teachers got $240 for the class budget the classes had twenty students say that is $4800 for class supplies of all kinds if not used it went to the general funds. So couldn't they just give 2.5% of each child's share of tax money and teachers would be well supplied.
2. There seems to be less respect for educators in that the parents seem to not back them like when I was a child my parents always backed the school and didn't make waves now everything the evil schools do to 'their child' is wrong it seems.
3. Parents some help educate their children and support them in school, some don't care at all but isn't participation important and necessary for student success?
4. If your in an economically depressed area, crime ridden area, an area where English isn't spoken daily and the like your less likely to be successful over being in an area these aren't an issue when I was in military base schools you didn't have issues and the military made parents participate if needed in their children's education by CO order and everyone made sure the children were safe and even non-parents helped out. I remember three wonderful soldiers who ran the music and singing club because they wanted to help with the school and liked children and they had oddly women think it was nice and they were future husband material. If your in a rural failed economy coal-mining gone town with a drug problem your not going to have good schools as a rule.

 

The educational system needs to be gutted. The liberal prog cancer needs to be removed.

 

What teachers make isn't the issue.

Contracts and bidding with clear favoritism is an issue.

Administrator pay is absolutely an issue.

Liability concerns are an issue.

 

The US spends more on education than almost any other country in the world

Part of the problem seems to be too many school adminstrators who are basically dead weight

 

Look at the rise of flat earthers, who's a flat earther here come on raise your hand.