Declining support for education in the US

So the problem is lousy teachers and we need to pay more to get better ones? How do we get rid of these first?

 

How much should it cost to get a child through high school? And if the problem is we have a bunch if bad teachers because we don't pay enough how are we going to get rid if the bad ones so we can hire good ones?

 

Pay them less.

 

1. There were only 2 quotes presented. It is not that big of a number, to miss it by that much.
2. Pick whatever cherries you like. This concept goes back hundreds of years, and is a recurring theme.
3. These quotes, or variations thereof, are constantly quoted, even now, so this is a common perception, even if it feels demeaning to the butts of the quotes.
4. Liberals promote the phony narrative: 'conservatives hate ...!!' This is evidence, at least, of liberal stupidity, so why not return that as a comeback?
5. Your perceptions of 'credible!' are not absolute, either, but i do have quotes from credible sources to back my perceptions. You merely have assertion.

 

You should see the waste that comes out of these schools.

Our local highschool has around 60 kids per class year.

Every week they fill their dumpsters to the brim with unopened, unused, crates of excess food/Notebooks/Computers/ Computer accessories (I had to dive in for the brand new box of Keyboards and Mice “they didn’t have a use for”, ended up with a little over 150 keyboards)

 

Blues conclusion does not follow from Kode's comment.

There will be levels within the term "qualified." The best qualified may go elsewhere.

 

Very few people view education as anything other than important and good for society. They have to be talking about money.

 

Typical of government waste. To maintain the budget every year if something is not used it is trashed.

 

Check out the OK teaching conditions on FB.

 

You can thank multiple things for this.

1. State Testing - Administration pushes educators to teach kids how to pass state tests, not how to actually develop into thinking human beings.

2. ESSA/NCLB - I've witnessed first hand students being forced through by administration because of these policies to the student's detriment, and instead of holding the student back, the educators are told "find a way to pass X student" just so the bad scores are no longer counted against the school.

3. Business Degree requirements for administration. Education is not a manufacturing business and should never be treated as such. The entire structure proposed by administrators and policy makers on curricula is a massive part of the issue. Kids are not widgets on an assembly line and learning is an individual thing.

The big scary monster of the right, greedy teachers, is hardly the issue. Teachers for the most part are not greedy and most of them love what they do even with all the shortcomings of leadership and state/local government dictation.

If the right wants to fix education they need to look at things OTHER then the sound bytes about educators and their greed.

 

If the right wants to fix things they'd have to first take the education system away from the left. It's only the right that wants to fix things?

 

The right owns all branches of government so the onus is on them to do something.

 

Oh yes, in Arizona the GOP believes that Charters are it....
To bad to teach at a charters you dont even need a teaching degree!
That should help wages, and improve childrens overall outcome, dont ya think?

 

And remember charters dont have to follow state regs. and can pick and choose what students they want in their schools.....That helpful also!

 

This is a great chart. Notice that Finland is at the top of the food chain. What is interesting is that kids in Finland spend the least amount of time in school.

 

Just want the trolling to stop. Religion was irrelevant to the thread. No hurt feelings, I just get tired of the constant diversion from topics.

 

Most or the citizenry in the United States very much supports and believes in the Public Education system even with its problems. This has been under attack for decades as government uses the funding to plug budget holes it creates much as they do with Social Security. Now that the Republican Party has enough political power they are using it to enact what they have hoped for and are giving as much control to their benefactors as possible while they can. Damn the torpedoes.

 

Just a little aside, if you're talking about the head of a school, it's principal. (one of my pet peeves. The way to remember it is the principal is your pal).

 

Following up on previous post:

If you google
How many hours in a school day in Finland?

The school day starts between 8 and 9am in the morning and finishes between 1 and 2pm in the afternoon. The class has 25 lessons a week. Each lesson is 45 minutes long. There are 3 hours and 45 minutes of instruction each day on average

 

You mean your school taxes are separate from your property taxes?

You need to move. The RWers like to say if you don't like your wage, get another job that pays more. So if you don't like your property/school taxes, move to a place where it's better. My home is worth about $600,000 and my property and school taxes total about $2,300 annually. Here, with your home value, your taxes would be half of mine.

 

It's a mix due to underpayment.

 

How many are not qualified and how do we get rid of them? Where do the new ones come from?

 

My brother was the contractor and commercials sales guy for a big box home improvement store. He signed up the local county school to purchase orders to buy stuff. After a few months the corporate accounting called him about them being past due way over 45 days terms on invoices and they were getting no response. He called and got the runs arounds but finally got their head accounts payable guy. The guy to him well we cant pay any faster so just add your interest to the invoice and reinvoice.

So as I said earlier, its not a money problem its a management problem.

 

My point is that we have a few politicians and an army of 'educators'...basic math.

 

You sound like you just discovered unions...any new money simply goes to the same 'educators' who are already failing Junior.