Defunding Planned Parenthood would lead to thousands more births, CBO says

No, I started with this...

"I'm not the one looking to deny women access to health services. That would be your issue."

Abortions are women's health services too.

 

Dentisry and eye care are health issues as well should they be federally funded as well and if not why do you hate women?

 

What law? Abortion is legal. And if it was law that forced them to close, why did only half have to close?

And I've told you I"m pro-choice. If these women want to have abortions instead of having lots of babies that we must support and deal with in society later on, let them do so. Less criminals I'll have to be concerned with later in life.

 

Is that what you read in his response? Why do you keep turning everything into anti-Christian?

 

Every birth control method has a failure rate.

Plus, it takes two - so, your misogyny calls you out as having problems with even the most basic of reproductive facts.

 

Yes, it takes two, but the reality of it is that it's more the woman's responsibility if she doesn't want to become pregnant since it is her body and more likely the care would be more up to her if the father doesn't stick around. That's not misogyny, that's reality.

All birth control does have a failure rate, and most are extremely LOW when taken properly (oh darn, there goes that responsibility thing again).

 

It's not a matter of having "ALL the women" in your state going to PP.

The issue is that PP provides a number of services and is the choice of many women for those services.

Simply having PP be free to discuss abortion with their clients is a major issue in the minds of those who want to eliminate PP as a health care provider.

Remember that Republicans even deny aid to countries where recipients of that aid are willing to discuss abortion with their clients.

 

Thankfully Trump has already defunded PP clinics in other countries. What the heck were we doing funding healthcare for people in other countries? I don't care whether it was abortions or pap smears, we don't need to pay for health services for the whole damn world.

 

Oh bullcrap. it's always instant starvation. never success with you people.

 

Ah, the "people should remain celibate until they are 30" argument.

Standards that ignore human nature are not reasonable.

Never mind that there are all sorts of ways to be left with an unwanted pregnancy that don't involve irresponsibility:
1. The contraception failed
2. One of the partners lied about their contraception, or their fertility
3. It was supposed to be impossible to get pregnant due to [insert relevant medical condition]
4. Pregnancy started out planned, but major life event changed the circumstances -- spouse/partner died/left/lost job/got sick, etc.

I am constantly amazed at conservatives who rail about intrusive government, but then want the government to stick its nose into one of the most personal decisions it is possible for a human to be faced with.

 

No, that is misogyny.

And, (oh darn) there goes that idea that men have no responsibility. Just out of curiosity, where did you get that?

 

Some people think that those who are exceptionally wealthy have some amount of responsibility to give a hand to those in desperate need - sort of like Jesus did once in a while.

And, there are also those who think that other countries will respond to a helping hand more readily than to being bombed. Do you have any idea how much less it costs to give some aid than it does to give some bombs?

 

Call it whatever you want, since you have an agenda but fact remains that it is the woman who carries the majority of the burden if she becomes pregnant. Are you really denying that and calling me a misogynist for saying that?

 

Amen.

Plus, I'd add rape and incest.

 

First of all, I'm agnostic. Second, I didn't say we had to bomb them. I just don't think we have to pay for the worlds healthcare. How did the equate to bombing them?

 

Well, you'd have to be a heartless bastard -- not to mention a raging control freak -- to insist that a rape or incest victim carry the child to term. So I tend to not bring up that scenario unless and until a poster demonstrates they are a heartless bastard.

 

No, I responded to your thread which included statements that were misogynistic.

Now, you're switching to "burden" - which is certainly more serious when the government cuts health care, denies abortion (including in cases of rape and incest), removes counseling, reduces education options and relieves men of responsibility.

 

There are a lot of places where we have chosen to bomb the people - Iraq, Afg, Pakistan, Libya, etc., etc. Also, we arm the Israelis, so they can have a better time of it, too, especially with ethnic cleansing in West Bank and bombing Gaza. The list is not short even when kept to recent activity.

That is a STUPENDOUS amount of money, spent to cause some sort of change. The few dollars we spend on helping them with health care is also oriented to causing change - change of a very similar nature.

I'm just saying it's a little crazy to suspect that we will convince these peoples to accept our message when we slaughter them, but not when we help them.

To me, that seems extremely unlikely.

 

How about we don't bomb them nor do we pay for their healthcare? Let them be their own country with their own laws. It's saving us money, a win win.

 

When we cut off health care and counseling and make it known that abortion is a criminal offense and something for which there is no funding, we are blocking victims of rape and incest from the paths that could help them. When we promote police forces that are NOT integrated with the community, we ensure they are no longer part of the solution - and can no longer even be part of enforcement. When we support health care workers who choose to promote personal beliefs rather than provide help, we again raise barriers that divide victims from help.

So, no, what the Republican administration is doing IS an assault on those who are victims of these crimes.

Maybe these perpetrators aren't heartless bastards - maybe they are just ignorant.

But, the outcome is the same.

 

That's their story and you're sticking to it.

 

And they can continue to provide those services without doing abortions or without the federal funds. The women have other choices for their health care. And this isn't about discussing it is about providing.

Again. So tell me why they, Planned Parenthood are above every other women's health clinic in my state, are so vital that they MUST receive federal funding especially since all those women now have health insurance and they can go to their doctor now.

 

Sorry I have no patient for LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FAIR juvenile responses. Dodge noted.

 

Not what I said. All so you won't admit that you knew the risk. Instead you rail against conservatives. Typical

 

NO, it's the story of the government that audits them.

Now you PROVE THEY HAVE VIOLATED THAT LAW or look silly, your choice...