Derek Chauvin Appeals Murder Conviction, Claims Protesters Intimidated Jury

Eye witness testimony disagrees with you Blues. Plus, police officers are required to notify their department when moonlighting for extra cash. It is common practice, but you are required to notify your supervisors of said duty when you are off the clock,.

 

The autopsy report said otherwise Blues. It was listed as a homicide by the compressing of the neck to block the flow of air to the lungs. Heart disease and fentynol only hastened the death when Chauvin kneeled on him, which was against department policy to begin with.

 

I see your problem, you think I said a $20 fake bill killed him, which I didn't say.

 

He died because he passed a fake $20 bill and the police were called and then escalated to a cop killing him.

 

Not true, officer Kueng checked his pulse before medics arrived, and they still didn't relieve pressure from the body and neck. It's on camera, and he admitted to it while under oath

https://nypost.com/2021/04/20/three-other-cops-still-set-to-face-trial-in-death-of-george-floyd/

The medics later testified that Floyd had no pulse when they arrived. They attempted respiratory simulation, but to no avail, he was already too far gone

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56606418


Furthermore, when a suspect is in police custody, it doesn't matter what the officers' emotions about the person are, they have both a duty and a legal obligation to act as a first responder in a medical emergency. Not only did the officers not apply any medical assistance, but they maintained pressure on the body and neck

 

It also listed it as “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” Floyd also had 3 other natural diseases, 2 of which had to do with the heart, the other was a benign tumor. Those plus the fentanyl in his system which was enough to kill an elephant. Floyd would have died that day regardless of the neck compression.

Now, should Chauvin have been punished for using excessive force? Yes. Did he deserve the charges that he was convicted of? No. He never set out to kill the guy. That part was an accident even with the neck compression possibly playing a small part in an otherwise deadman's fate.

But people are not using logic. They're using emotions. Claiming Chauvin did this because he was a racist. When there are no facts to back that claim up. They wanted him convicted of murder period. And if they didn't get that they were going to riot. Maxine Waters encouraged as much. So yeah, there is every reason for Chauvin to appeal this and every reason to grant that appeal.

 

A complication is not the root cause. It merely hastened the death. The autopsy said that George Floyd's compression of the neck and his body was the primary cause of death. And he explained that very well to the jury. Besides, the amount of fentanyl was minor and not enough to kill him, let alone an elephant or "two Stacy Abrams or 3 grown men" as social media so-called pundits kept hammering.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...george-floyd-s-death-homicide-blames-n1263670

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...e-floyd-not-enough-to-cause-death/7239448002/

I am not arguing Chauvin is racist. Never made that statement anywhere in my posts.

We do know they had a history together according to eyewitness testimony and I provided a link for that. Furthermore, what gets me upset is that Chauvin knew the procedures on how to subdue a person and ignored those procedures anyway. In addition, this whole incident was started when the shop owner called the police about a fake $20 bill. In that scenario, the police should have first acquired the who, what, when, where, why, and to what extent on that $20 bill. But Chauvin didn't do that, not even close. I think Chauvin was playing percentages here and probably knew that George was a recovering addict or still struggling with his addiction, but there is no way to prove that. Just my opinion.

What Chauvin did is exactly what Police officers across the country are taught not to do. Never assume, don't be aggressive unless the other person is aggressive first, and others.

 

Oh here go denying what you said again.

You said

How did a fake $20 bill kill him? Did a fake $20 shove pills down his throat? Did a fake $20 somehow make him resist arrest? Did a fake $20 make him fight with the officers trying to get him sitting in the vehicle while medical help was on the way? Did a fake $20 make him jump out the other side of the vehicle throwing himself to the ground? Did a $20 bill make his heart stop pumping efficiently so that he was no longer getting oxygen pumped through his body?

Yes I am curious how a fake $20 bill killed him.

 

Are you saying Floyd was not aggressive with the officers and was submitting to the arrest before he threw himself to the ground?

 

Me>> Which did not cause his death. Again explain how a fake $20 is what killed him. Lots happened between him attempting to pass it and his heart giving out on him causing his death. Or is it far too complicated for you?

ROFL yes I know it did not say a fake $20 bill killed him, it was the drugs in his system his failing heart and the stress he put himself through violently resisting arrest, he did not die from suffocation. He was dying before he hit the ground.

 

It wasn't a secret he worked there and there was no evidence they had ever met just conjecture and supposition. Even if they had it would have had no bearing on what happened and how Floyd died. But go ahead cite the testimony that they knew each other.

 

This is as clear an example of biased and intimidated jurors as there could be since it's just using their own quotes. I hope he gets a fair trial.

 

No, for starters, watch the arrest video. Chauvin approached Floyd and then arrested him. As you can see, Chauvin had him in a type of grip that did not allow George Floyd to resist very much. As they were walking, George fell on the ground trying to not get in the police vehicle. Then at the end of the video, the police officers were forcefully putting George Floyd down. Again, they made up their minds to arrest him even though the facts of the fake $20 bill have not been met. Everything done here was escalated by Chauvin.

 

You are having reading comprehension difficulty again Blues. I said the reason for the call was the fake $20 bill, aka forgery as Chauvin said in the video I provided. Second, if such an alleged crime did occur, a police officer needs to obtain all the facts. This is done through detention, not arrest.

For the cause of death, the actual issue in which you still claim it was drugs. the coroner testified that it was the compression of the neck and George Floyd's body that was the cause. Furthermore, even Chauvin's own police department stated that what Chauvin did in the restraint was not allowed per the procedure manual in that city. And no use of deadly force justified the actions which Chauvin took.

For this specific officer, Derek Chauvin, I put him in the same category as Robert Gisevius, Kenneth Bowen, and Anthony Villavaso.

 

Again, the eyewitness testimony says otherwise. They worked at the same venue. This is not ATT Stadium here. It is a midsize establishment for patrons. Second, in that type of environment, either as a bouncer/security guard or an off-duty police officer, you are supposed to know who is who and what is what. To ignore that means you are not doing your job. Usually, the owner or the manager will provide the name and photo of the off-duty officer to the staff so that they know full well who that person is, in case there is any trouble by patrons at the establishment. Now, whether they interacted with each other is anybody's guess, but I can imagine that Chauvin, through keen police observation probably knew more about what was going on that night than the owner did.

I never said it was a secret, but your first response was that they never worked with each other to begin with.

 

the police had called an ambulance, so they knew he was having health problem, why Chauvin would do this is beyond me, and for 9 long minutes

 

Fallacy.

Chauvin arrived later on the scene.

Separate police officers do not all act with one mind.

 

It's a legitimate restraint technique, but is usually supposed to be used in more desperate situations where all else has failed.

Yes, it can end up killing you if your body is loaded up on fentanyl and you have the Covid virus.

Don't forget "excited delirium" that I'm sure no doubt played a role in causing the heart attack too. Increased oxygen demand from emotional hysteria combined with decreased ability of the lungs to uptake oxygen due to the virus made Floyd very vulnerable.

 

if he wasn't waiting on the ambulance, then why did he knee him so long?

 

To make sure he wouldn't be going anywhere, and probably also to punish him a little bit for all the trouble he had caused.

The police were tired, they didn't want to expend any more effort.

Floyd was also now on the side of the street facing the road. There was a danger from traffic. If Floyd had tried to get up (remember, he seemed to be acting irrationally), he could have created a danger to both police and himself.

Even with handcuffs on, it was difficult to control him, due to the build of his body.

 

he was handcuffed, no need to knee him for 9 minutes like that

"and probably also to punish him a little bit for all the trouble he had caused."

that is probably true, not very smart of him

 

It's not that simple. This wasn't black & white.

I do agree that 9 minutes was an excessive time to knee him.

But for all we know, the length of that time might not have been what killed him.

 

tell me, if a criminal handcuffed a cop and he put his knee on him for 9 min and the cop died.... would it be murder?

 

As you should be able to see from what I highlighted in bold even the lesser charge is based on intent. I stand by my statement. He didn't intend to commit a crime (no matter what specifically the charge was).

 

maybe you should do some reading. The coroner does not use the term “homicide” in the same manner as the court. The coroner uses it to explain how the death was caused, the court uses it to explain who was responsible.
Know your terms, this one was an easy miss if you’re not savvy in legal definitions. The ME does not make judgments on guilt.