Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

Where do you disagree?

Well in this country we begin with an assumption of innocent don't we? And it's the job of the prosecution to prove otherwise, isn't it? I from the getgo have gone by the evidence wherever that leads just as with all these cases.

Did you here the female use of force officer this afternoon, under cross once again her testimony was big help for Chauvin and these are PROSECUTION witnesses and the defense reserved the right to call her as THEIR witness and advised she would be doing so and the judge gave her the normal cautions about discussing the case and they would let her know when she would be called. The DEFENSE is going to call a PROSECUTION witnesses to testify on their behalf.

And we haven't even gotten to the ME and who will call him. Do you really think the scales are tipping more and more guilty or not guilty? If guilty what have you seen beyond a reasonable doubt proves his guilt?

 

How else the head can be immobilized?
It is extremely hard to do it even with both hands.
Remember officer had to also should be watching crowd around him.
I believe everything has been done properly.
Any freestyle or even Greek-Roman wrestler would do the same thing.

 

On the back of the neck, and then he moved knee to the right putting more pressure on the shoulder, last two minutes.

 

What Floyd's defenders refuse to acknowledge is the officers had been told Floyd appeared highly intoxicated, and HE WAS. He was behind the wheel of a motor vehicle. He was going to jail PERIOD regardless of the counterfeit bill which BTW is a federal offense too. DUI, they don't just write you a citation and let you go. And of course Floyd knew that and knew he had illegal drugs in his possession which the police were going to find so even more charges and he has priors.

And the defense wants a grant of partial immunity so he can be forced to testify but the prosecution is objecting. Hmmmmmm wonder why is that.

 

The cross examination of the two use of force officers was devastating for the prosecution. Lots of talk here about "well the police should have used restraints on his legs". Well first they have to get those out, and then as the UOF officer testified they have to call a supervisor and had the managed to do all of that, and which would have also preventing the "they should have rolled him over" claoms, before the arriving any second ambulance got there THEN they would have had to remove it all. This was going to be a load and go, the ambulance spend as little time as possible on the spot.

Those officers also testified that the use of the officers body weight to control and restrain was proper to their training. It was in fact the best decision they could make in a LOUSY situation.

 

Frankly, it seems you and I are actually watching the trial but the Democrats here are going by what their MSM news tells them.

 

First of all, the car was not being driven by Floyd and was not running when Floyd was approached by police. Also, passing a fake bill is not a crime unless it can be proved that Floyd knew it was fake. Floyd reportedly had prescriptions for pain medications in the past according to court testimony and had an opioid addiction problem.

Floyd was obviously not trying to flee the scene as he had plenty of time to do so long before the police ever arrived. Evidently Floyd was under the influence of some street opioids which were sold to him by the passenger with red sweat pants who also passed a phony bill and George was struggling to get it together before driving away.

Was the passenger of the car arrested at the scene for passing the phony bill? If not, why? It is NOT standard procedure for local police to arrest a man for inadvertently passing a phony bill. The clerk at the store said he thought the guy in the red sweat pants was trying to scam him but he thought George did not know it was fake.

In similar situations, generally the bill is confiscated by police and information is attached regarding who passed the bill. That bill is then forwarded to Secret Service Detectives, analyzed then they decide whether to further investigate, arrest and prosecute. Floyd’s vehicle had been legally parked in that space for 15-20 minutes and nobody saw Floyd or anyone else move it. No DUI was bound to happen, nor was any arrest at all. The police decided to order Floyd out of the car, handcuff him, detain him and eventually it seems in the opinion of the emergency room doctor asphyxiate him.

 

It seems as all the phony CONservatives here on he forum are going by wha they hear on Fox, OAN and Newsmax. Three big fake news puke outlets.

 

You two should get a room. Lol

 

He was sitting behind the wheel and it doesn't have to be running, he was getting arrest for a DUI at the least and doesn't matter if they were legal prescriptions, we know they weren't, he was highly intoxicated had been passing out. Why do you so desperately try to excuse that? And passing counterfeit money is a federal crime and is a crime in Minneapolis a misdemeanor. Floyd has priors.

Now why this totally inane statement? Who has EVER claim Floyd was trying to flee? He was being placed under arrest and when you are placed under arrest you are handcuffed and placed into the back of a patrol car to be transported. Floyd CHOOSE to fight the whole way until he cause his own medical emergency.

The other people in the car were SCREAMING at him to do so, although the store clerk knew who he was as did the officers, but he kept passing out.

Floyd passed the bill and he was high on a fentanyl/meth speedball, MANY of them.

The bill was passed by Floyd, Floyd was highly intoxicated, he could have settled it with the store clerk who went to the car and just wanted the cigarettes back but Floyd refused to give them back and take the bill back. He then refused the lawful commands of the police and then resisted arrest..................what is it exactly you are disputing here?

None of that matters a twit. What matters is what happened. The police would have love nothing more than Floyd follow their commands, submit to the arrest, and sit in the back of the police SUV until the ambulance arrived. That's ALL they wanted. Floyd was not going to have it that way.

 

Floyd needed medical attention. He did not need to be ordered out of his car, dragged across the street then kneeled on for over 9 minutes in his condition. The moral of this story is that police agencies should be taught that drug addiction and intoxication is a medical issue, not a criminal issue. People in Floyd’s condition should be treated as patients, not criminals. I bet that Chauvin wishes he had been so trained now. I would certainly like to hear what Chauvin has to say in his own defense in this case. I know damn well if I was accused of recklessly causing a man’s death I would certainly want to tell my side of the story. It has been alleged that Chauvin had 17 prior complaints regarding his conduct as an officer. I would also like to hear from some of the people who made those complaints. It would not surprise me if the defense decides to put Chauvin on the stand unless they realize that he is a mean little prick who would hurt his case by testifying. I look forward to seeing the defenses case and then the final arguments. At this point I still predict that Chauvin will be convicted of a manslaughter like charge and will be sentenced to from 8-12 years and end up actually serving 4-6 years in Stillwater.

 

The defense will have to enter it into evidence. Their turn is coming.

 

Yeah, sure--I have a dog in the hunt.

The Emergency doc says he was asphyxiated--and the beat goes on.

 

I dont mean in court...I mean in an encounter, like on the roadside.

 

The life of two idiots ended that day. Not been following closely enough to give an opinion on the prosecutor.

 

He ain't going on the stand.

 

The forensics don't support that.

 

He didn't do an autopsy. Did he report any bruising of the throat? And I believe he considered ANY lack of oxygen as asphyxiated even when it is because the heart cannot pump the blood through the lungs any longer.

 

They had called for medical help including a call to ramp it up, yes he needed to be removed from his vehicle and secured into a police vehicle he was being placed under arrest and they had no idea if he had a weapon in his car. And you would do what you attorney would tell you to do with regard to testifying and your choosing not to do so cannot be inferred by the jury as an indication of guilt.

The moral of this is don't become a criminal, don't become a drug addict, don't commit crimes while you are intoxicated, don't get behind the wheel of a vehicle when you are in a drug induced intoxication, don't try to pass off counterfeit money, obey the lawful orders of the police when they come to arrest you if the do and don't ingest another handful of lethal drugs when they do.

 

Convicted of felony/felonies. Sentenced to 8-12 years inState Prison. Gets out in 4-6. That’s my prediction. What’s yours?

 

He was dead the last 3 minutes, soooo............yep, its manslaughter.

 

Tell me about it!

Quite frankly, I'll won't be surprised if you get a hung jury...prejudice and the irrational fear it spawns runs deep, and it only takes one juror to put on the breaks.

 

There's a lot more to go. Take it easy.

Today, the cop department lined up with the prosecution with one cop after another saying Chauvin ignored policy, training, and exercised criminally poor judgment.

 

You're projecting. I said it appears the cops have lined up with the prosecution. We'll see if the defense calls police and medical experts and what they might say.

I dunno. The defense questioning seems weak.

 

We're supposed to take your word for it?