Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

God’s condemnation is quite severe. Hell and death, if you are a literalist believer.

Meanwhile, scriptures say that the penalty for sin is closer to what we generally view as justice. That justice being an eye for an eye. This means that the penalty is close to the severity of the sin. If I kill, I earn death. If I steal, I only forfeit my wealth. I do not earn death. This justice seems fair to me.

Since few of us ever kill, few of us should earn hell and death. Yet scriptures indicate that the vast majority of our souls end in hell and death, while only the few reach heaven.

Can god be just if he exceeds the good justice standard that the bible, god’s WORD, claims is just?

There is no doubt that we are all sinners. Be that condition, imposed by god or nature, is forced upon us at birth.

If you think you have been condemned to hell and death and need a savior, can you tell us what sin of yours earned you hell and death?

Thanks.

Regards
DL

 

It all starts from arrogance. Arrogance might not be the one and only sin, but it might be the one that got you sinning more.

Nobody knows.

 

So you do believe the scriptures?

 

According to Isaiah 45:7 this god brags about being the creator of ALL evil. So, yes, he did condemn humanity because of his hate.

 

According to the New Testament, Jews are not sinners, only Gentiles.

 

Perhaps just as pressing … Is the tooth fairy a just tooth fairy?

 

What does that have to do with what I said?

 

That is, by a wide margin, not the only problem with a literal interpretation of scripture. Which is why not very many people interpret it literally.

The only thing I see mankind 'condemned' to is independence. In my view, we were cast out of Eden because we wanted autonomy and didn't want to amount to God's 'pets.' Which necessarily put our fates into our own hands.

 

Personally I believe that mankind is not condemned.......
even "Azazel" is not condemned....although he and the other Watchers / sons of G-d.....
believed that they were condemned?!

Believing that we are condemned.... and actually being condemned are two very different things......
we have to begin to believe in the ability of an infinitely ancient Loving Creator being able to work within
and through us.......... in spite of all of our many, many, many flaws and sins of the past......

"but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD
to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness
to Aza'zel." (Leviticus 16:10)

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

 

Azazel, King of the Watchers.. and the two hundred and eight Watchers with him.....
felt that they were condemned... I am convinced THAT THEY WERE WRONG......
BUT.... just as Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus became a Passover Lamb and fulfilled Passover so also
a Yom Kippur event will occur after the Passover event........


https://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch01-60.htm#Chapter13

Every Christian and Messianic Jew and Messianic Gentile = Barabbas / Bar Abbas... the goat for Azazel!

Could the President of the P. A. be the great, great, great.... grandson of Barabbas / Bar Abbas... who was released when Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was killed?????

 

If it is true, then your comment in Post #2 is only partially true. Your statement in Post #2 attributes sinning to arrogance, which would only apply to Gentiles and not to Jews because the Bible says that Jews are not sinners.

 

God's arrogance. Yes. As well as the stupidity of the men who make god talk.

Regards
DL

 

No. I do not believe in myths.

Regards
DL

 

God seems to do a lot of evil for a guy who says he does not want evil to be done.

Regards
DL

 

According to the book, you have an option.
When you create something, you can make the rules

 

A Jewish religion, which is what Christianity is, would of course favor it's own founders.

Regards
DL

 

The tooth fairy is not homophobic and misogynous.

You should not compare a good fairy to an evil genocidal fairy.

If you think you should live by the Golden Rule, change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

Regards
DL

 

As things should be. Relying on an invisible sugar daddy is childish.

As to the literal reading of myths, the vast majority have to reach scriptures literally if one is to believe in Jesus and hell.

I can agree that reading myths literally is the most simple and wrong way to read myths.

Regards
DL

 

Belief in the supernatural is for dummies.

Regards
DL

 

Perhaps, but then you are stuck in showing the existence of a creator who holds that rule.

Good luck with that.

Regards
DL

 

Point that out specifically

 

I'm not here to prove existence, just why a creator can do what he wants whether you agree or not

 

Since we have no way of knowing what a “creator” wants that statement cannot be proven or even tested.

 

One thing that has started to puzzle me about the creation, and then fall of man narrative

Lets say that god created us
He created us in our entirety.... including the capability to sin.... he created us as we are.

Then, big surprise, we sin

God cannot abide our sin.... even though that is exactly how he created us to be.

It is like someone invented a new machine
He knowingly built flaws into the machine at the outset
And when those flaws become manifest.... flaws that he designed into the machine....the designer is upset withe the machine, rather than his own substandard design


All of religion seems like repeated attempts to deal with the flaws that god designed into us from the beginning. And i am supposed to feel guilty about that?

 

You gave no idea of what a supernatural entity can or cannot do.

An un-provable and un-qualified statement is a lie.

Many like to lie. Ask any lying preacher.

Regards
DL