No tricks. Critical thinkers are not so easily spotted. Those that think they are but aren't stand out.
Hey, 'Fraud - why did you link to a 'no planes, no victims' site in your OP? Do you believe that there were no planes and no one died on 9/11, as your link propagates?
Radio interview with German Air Force 1st Ltd. (Oberleutnant) (orignal interview in German, link below, 00:20:20 to 00 : 28:28 ), aired 09/13/2012: Introduction: Let’s think about how it would be here in Germany, if 2 passenger airliners would be on their way to hit 2 bank towers in Frankfurt and turn them into ashes and rubble. What would happen, or better: what would happen before, that will be explained to us by 1st Ltd. Of the German Air force Jochen Volz: Interview: If you would go on the homepage of the German Air Force or on the homepages of the Fighters Squadron North in Wittmund and in the South Neuburg at the Danube you could see that there on 365 days a year 24 hours a day each have 2 fighters jets ready for alarms for one single case only, the case of an unclear air situation, and the procedures described there, those you can also get from air traffic control, and then knowing like I know that those procedures to intercept with fighters in such an unclear situation was developed by the USA in the 50s as a reaction on Pearl Harbor in order to never be taken by surprise anymore . The responsible for this so called Air Policeing and for intercepting fighters for which we have a NATO term , “Alpha Scramble”, in which fighters are made airborne, is at the NORAD, which is the largest air defense center in the world, they look to the outside and to the inside, they have every mouse on their RADAR screens,. In Germany we would do the following and it happens all the time..all the time: Let’s take Frankfurt. The Frankfurt Air Traffic Hub. There they have civilian and military air traffic controllers in the same shifts.. Now something happens what air traffic controllers call LOSSCOM, loss of communication, meaning for any whatever reason they loss contact to an airliner, there are thousands of possible reasons for that.. technical things or he has a heart attack or anything else..or he does not respond to orders.. like using certain itineraries..Then they try for 5 minutes to re establish contact..that’s the first criteria..second criteria is strange behavior—like flying a strange route..then there is a call from Frankfurt to the Combined Air Operation center in Stetten or Kalkaar, STETTEN being on the Suebian Alb, Kalkaar being North, depending from being in the North or in the South, and there in this CAOP a “cell” like we call it is sitting there consisting of an air force officer, a contact officer of the Ministry of the Inner for Police tasks and a civilian air traffic control officer..when the information is received.. and they get it rapidly by fixed lines..in addition they can see themselves on their own RADAR what that airplane is doing..then they push a button and an alarm sounds let’s say in Fighter Squadron 71 in Wittmund, it goes up directly I the bunker in which both fighters are parked, pilots sit directly in the rooms besides the bunkers, fully dressed – they jump outside, leave their coffee and in NATO states depending from the stage of defense readiness within 10 to maximal 15 minutes they have to be airborne. Those then will be guided to the plane to have a look what’s happening. Any decision if that plane is to be intercepted or forced to land has to be taken by a general then – but only THIS decision. Alarming it or evaluation of its cause is like in a fire fighter or ambulance alarm. There is no interposed level of command in the hierarchy and exactly this is how it is in the USA – in principle. I just can’t give you exactly the names of the US command structures below NORAD - those however can be found out easily.. exactly THIS did not happen for more than two hours…not one single fighter had even made the attempt to intercept a plane or even to find out what’s happening or anything else..this is only possible if someone has interfered with the automatism I have described..and those flares which had been thrown..even by the committee of the House of Congress.. that so many exercises took place on the very same day..and that there was total confusion..not being able to distinguish between real life and exercise…this cannot be understood by anyone from an air force…exercises are what concerns air traffic control and air defense always completely separated from real life of air traffic..those who control those exercises never are involved controlling civilian air traffic…therefore this assumption is completely absurd. The second hypothesis which is found there, that the one or the other interceptor squadron was on it way to Canada, that is possible, the alarm squad however with deadly certainty had not been displaced to anywhere.. because they have to be there.. 365 days a year..and must not be used for anything else as for this task. The joke in this story is that before 9/11 in the same year 60 times the same situation occurred, all intercepts came out without any complication, and also after 9/11, only few weeks after 9/11 the next unclear situations occurred in which fighters became airborne ..nothing happened. A special absurdity comes from looking on the map, the map of Washington, the capital, the White House and the Pentagon, the power center of the USA. 10 Miles from Washington a fighter squad is waiting on Andrews AFB.. 10 Miles.. and even from there no interceptor was launched when the Pentagon was in the gun sights..You have to ask yourself the question if the guilt is on Osama Bin laden who had planned all this in detail in his cave in Bora Bora, which is the official version, that he planned this highly complex activity, which we saw, why there are certain voices of people neither being known to be leftists nor to be conspiracy theory believers, like Peter Scholl-Latour, saying: absolute nonsense. The former Secretary of the Justice department, also leader of the chancellor’s office under Willy Brandt said: Such an activity cannot be carried out, like he said, without any intelligent intelligence service. I would like to leave it with those 2 quotations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZmVXiYmAlo
Just one more comment, that whole thing is a giant strawman and a red herring. If you read through any section of the entire explanation you'll see that he is running off of the impression that the transponder is still on. He's insinuating that in Germany there is no such thing as an "off" transponder. Also, he's comparing Germany to the United States of America. Yes, a country that has 1/100th the airspace. Anyone that buys into this needs some form of clinical or at least psychiatric help. This is a massive fail on every level. Oranges to apples, etc. Just ridiculous.
Osama bin laden is a mystical "magic man", why he infiltrated the highest levels of government, the faa, norad, several air force bases dat sneaky wabbit.
1. He's talking about NATO and NORAD standards, not about national particularities. 2. If the transponder is "off", the flight identification disappears from the RADAR screen, not the airplane itself. In case of a military attack those planes come without transponders at all (except their own "Friend or Foe identification system" which does not send a signal to those under attack).
And of course he's an expert on NORAD\NEADS practices and procedures because of his years in the German Air Force? Which, of course, has EXTREMELY limited (if at all) communications or connections with that organization. I can't find any relation between the two at all. So the ONLY thing he can compare either one of those standards (NATO or NORAD\NEADS) is by comparing them to the national particularities. Unless you can display for me a period of time that he served with both of those. Once again, the gigantic difference between Germany and the USA is there were over 4,000 flights in the air, and the planes were hijacked over one of the busiest flight zones in the country. It's an apples to oranges comparison, and unless this German individual has specific knowledge of, or has years of working with, the U.S.A.'s standards and policies than I don't really care what he has to say. This is a classic "appeal to authority" argument. You're basically saying that "because this guy is in >>a<< military and has experience with >>some<< planes, that he is an expert in the way it runs in America." That's just completely incorrect. Also, with your transponder off they can't even tell what altitude you are. Even if they pick you out and can find out a general approximation of where you are at, they still have to locate you vertically. The suicide pilots knew that and that is why they flew low. This is just common sense type stuff here.
That is why he said "The standards were developed in the USA, the NATO however has the same standards. Therefore I will tell you how it would have happened here and how it does happen here every single day. I have no reason to assume that our US NATO partners are stupid and unable to do what we do every day". He did not say to have served in both air forces nor did I say it. The air space around ATLANTA has the higest density of civilian aviation which matches the civilian flight densities in the West and in the South of Germany, the rest of the USA (including Washington and New York) matching the rest of Germany. Frankfurt Airport has 636 scheduled sorties per day, New York JFK Airport 549. The airports in the NY vicinity La Guardia (500), Newark (554) and more distant Washington Dalles (372) must be compared to the Frankfurt proximity of Munich (530), Brussels (300), Dusseldorf (294), Cologne (179) and Stuttgart (169). http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/media/us_eu_comparison_2010.pdf If something is just completely incorrect then it is your assumption myself "appealing to authority". "Oberleutnant" is not the highest rank in the Luftwaffe. When I was working as a civilian employee of the Luftwaffe my corresponding rank was higher. What counts more than rank however (at least here) is: expertise. What is both yours, rank and expertise? You mean it is a good idea to say: "Because we had problems with vision, we closed our eyes?"
Your article is incorrect on it's face, and now you're fighting tooth and nail to save face. That's all you're doing. This guy has no idea how American systems work, so anything he says at this point in time is just conjecture. He's assuming he knows how it works because he uses a standard that America created. Lots of things change, and this guy has no relevent experience, which you've now admitted to. What does any of this have to do with anything? Once again, you're grasping at straw hoping to come out clean. You listed a fraction, a mere fraction of America's airports in some of the busier areas. You listed, practically, every airport in Germany. There are so many that are not on there it's not even funny. Pittsburgh, LA, Oakland, et. al. You're sunk, and Germany isn't even close to America, no matter what you think your stats say. None, which is why I am not claiming to be as such. I am saying that YOU are doing a classic "appeal to authority" without realizing that the person you're appealing too isn't an authority. You are quoting someone with NO experience in American air transportation, he has absolutely no frame of reference. He is making assumptions, projections and claims to things that he has no idea about. For some reason you can't see that you're proving that point for me....ambitiously. Not even sure where you pulled that from. I am saying that we looked, and we tried. As soon as we could respond we had birds in the air and tried to track them down, it was too late. Catch up kiddo, you're falling behind....about 12 years behind.
I've already answered why I don't take you seriously, boss. Why do you persist in obsessing over me? I told you before, I'm straight so, please go away.
The question isn't about your sexuality, Fraud. (Odd that you would protest so loudly, hmm?) The question is WHY did you link to a 'no planes, no victims' site in your OP? Why is it you constantly support these types of sites?
Hey, 'Fraud - why did you link to a 'no planes, no victims' site in your OP? Do you believe that there were no planes and no one died on 9/11, as your link propagates? You continue to support this theory with your links. When did you become a no-planer?
I would think that someone who no longer wishes to discuss a post they created themselves would ask the site operators to close the post.
Discussing it with the OP seems to be equally pointless. You spoke of intricate details and irregularities in your OP, yet it's those very details that you do not wish to discuss. Did you read the information at the link you posted? Or is this, yet again another pile of garbage that you promoted without properly researching? Or, worse, were you once again hacked by someone promoting something that you don't believe? From the link in the OP: Are you 100% certain that no planes were used to pull off this magic trick? If so, why are you so hesitant to discuss this detail?
No, I'm not 100% certain WHAT happened at the Pentagon. I answered this in another thread here yesterday, and, as I stated repeatedly, there is no point in engaging an agenda, or their players.
