Do Conservatives care more about the U.S. and its freedom then Liberals do?

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  1. XLR8TR

    XLR8TR New Member

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    You still haven't learned what conservatism and fascism means.

    Conservatives aren't scared of stangers. You are so mis-informed. Conservatives understand the dangers of illegal immigrants and want to protect themselves...that is not xenophobia. Legal immigrants are most certainly allowed in this country.

    Once again, fallacy and misinformation. Racism exists on all sides of the spectrum. There are plenty of left wing liberals who are racist against anything except for white Caucasian. Secondly, the left brings racism into every argument...they are the true racists. Conservatives for the most part are far less racist than the left-wing is. To us, everybody is equal like it should be. You are just being fed propaganda. I'm mainly a right-winger and I am STRONGLY opposed to racism of any form whatsoever. I despise racists and sexists. Racists are the virus of society...they prevent equality and go against the principles of any free society.

    The death penalty is far more humane then sitting in prison your entire life eating bad food and getting raped in your *** every day. It is painless and cheap.

    We can agree on this...I couldn't care if two gays want to get married, I believe that is their right.

    Huh!?

    A large nation with lots of enemies requires a decent size military to protect yourself. Conservatives want a military that can defend us from global threats. If you are against that, you are obviously suicidal.

    That doesn't matter...they don't support any forceful religion...they support freedom of religion. And what/how much they practice is their freedom and isn't any of your nosy business.

    What is wrong with a person loving and willing to serve their great country?...you are against that?...do you hate your country or not care what will happen to it or its people?...are you evil?

    You do realize that conservatives support small government with limited power right?...Europe is on the extreme left...which is why you may be sensitive to such comments.

    You obviously haven't met Barack Obama.
     
  2. kilgram

    kilgram New Member

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    Not always. Many times is a mix of both. Because I want a job, well I join to military. And wanting to serve to country, well possible.

    But mainly, because you like that to kill people, obey orders... being fascist.
     
  3. MissJonelyn

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    No one joins the military because they need a job. For one thing, it's not a job. It's a commitment. It's actually work. Hard work. The amount of work it takes greatly out ways the benefits especially for a new recruit just making $15,000 a year.

    How many low paying jobs offers $15,000 a year: plenty. None of them are actually like the military.

    Another reason why I know just anyone wouldn't join the military if they need money. Not everyone has what it takes.
     
  4. NoPartyAffiliation

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    Sorry, can't buy it. I'm a vet. Spent some time with you madmen in Pendleton for CCT etc... All the resepct in the world for Marines. But I know a lot of people who are very patriotic and have never signed up.
    It would be like saying
    "Look, a lot of people claim to be patriotic but how many of them have actually gone out and worked for their local communities as an organizer? People join the military and get paid to do it! Those marvelous folks at ACORN were mostly volunteers! That sets them apart as superior!"
    Now. Do I believe the can of BS I just typed above? Not for a second. The point is simply that different people have different ways of expressing their patriotism.
    Could just anyone even BE a Marine? Nope. Would you want just anyone to BE in charge of protecting our country? A poet? An actor? An artist? A gay interior decorator? Is that who you want in your rifle company? Your fire team?

    So the extremely limited scope of your argument is it's primary flaw.

    But I respectfully thank you for your service. 317 were you?

    Semper Fi
     
  5. 1AmericansView

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    Well yours stance is wrong and its been proven so in this thread already.

    The poor is under represented in the Recruits of the U.S. Military. you don't have the same percentage of "Poor" Americans joining the U.S. Military as you do poor in the U.S.

    Middle Class is over represented in U.S. Military Recruits. because people in the middle class join the U.S. Military at higher percentages then their population in the U.S.

    So would you like to try again?
     
  6. 1AmericansView

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    What it was more showing is that states that don't protect, its citizens are the ones that have less people joining the Military. those that have more laws to protect its citizens from illegal aliens. and other destruction of its state have higher recruiting numbers.

    so it has nothing to do with the person being republican or democrat itself.

    The issue is the states that want to punish American citizens. such as California. and reward those who are constantly breaking the law have a lower percentage of people joining the U.S. Military then states that do things to protect its citizens

    and yes 0317 here.
     
  7. Daybreaker

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    For no other reason? You don't think that sounds a little idealistic?

    What's your source on this?
     
  8. Daybreaker

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    True, a lot of people can't join the military for one reason or another. But a lot of people do join the military because they need a job.

    You've heard of the term 'poverty draft' before, haven't you?
     
  9. Viv

    Viv Banned by Request

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    It does have something to do with who believes what. Perhaps they don't agree with what your military does.

    For example, perhaps they think the Iraq war was illegal. Or unnecessary. Perhaps they believe that oil is not a valid reason to invade a country or even to enter any kind of war. Perhaps they think invading countries on the other side of the world is not defence of the realm. Perhaps they don't think interventionist foreign policy is constitutional...I could go on...
     
  10. NoPartyAffiliation

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    There is a dynamic that occurs among poll-takers, scientists, naturalists etc... which goes like this: Once people know what they want to see, they will see it. Now seeing what they want, doesn't prove anything - just as your theory doesn't prove anything. It's what you want to believe. You want to believe Conservatives are more patriotic than Liberals. This is obvious. I can go find data to prove the opposite. Does it mean I would be right or that there is a correlary between the data I cite and reality? Nope.
    For example, if I took the data indicating the highest levels of racism and compared those to the numbers of people joining the military per capita, I'll bet I could make a case for proving that people join the military because they're racist and want a chance to kill brown people.
    Is that accurate? Of course not! Just like my community organizer example and just like your people joining the military example.
    I know a lot of ForCons and SEALs who do what they do, not only because of patriotism but because there is nothing they would rather do in the world. I'm not taking away from their patriotism, I'm just saying that some people grow up learning about heroes like Audie Murphy and others Martin Luther King.
    I find both Liberals and Conservative to be patriotic. They just have very different definitions of what they consider best for the country and how they express their patriotism.
     
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