Do UFOs/ETs exist, are they real?

Maybe they aren't telling him.

 

Ufology is a vast subject, and it's a mine field. There are serious people, and their are egoists, you have to be smart about it, but there's a ton of info out there, you have to look.

Curiosity is required, either you have it, or you don't.

 

I have a general curiosity but it's hardly priority from my point of view, certainly not enough to wade blindly in to the massive mess of stuff there is on the topic. If there was actually any definitive proof of extraterrestrial aliens available to the public, why wouldn't it float to the top?

If you expect anyone to accept that it is definitively proven, you'll need more than just telling them to aimlessly look it to everything out there on the topic, you'd need to present and support a specific positive hypothesis.

 

I have always been fascinated my fascination isn’t so much limited to UFOs, but the beliefs in BigFoot, Ghosts and spirits, Witchcraft, mystical magic, Gods, and the myriad of conspiracy theories that abound from those living on this Flat Earth. I am from Ireland, there are things that are out there you wouldn’t believe... just a bit of the gift of the Gods, Irish Whiskey, and you too will understand.

 

I didn't vote because I don't know. I think it's myopic to believe we are the only living species in the solar system. Also, I've met some people that have caused me to think they live on another planet. LOL

 

More of a "No, because we don't have sufficient evidence to establish otherwise" than the one "no" option you've actually provided (they can't travel the great distances). This is because we have no way of knowing about technology we haven't discovered yet, so who knows whether aliens might be able to travel over those great distances?

I regard humans as being quite unique in the universe due to the unique circumstances that gave rise to us here on Earth, and Earth also provides a rather uniquely good environment for achieving space travel since it is not too massive to prevent rockets from reaching orbit (the "super-earths" that have been discovered outside of our solar system would be too massive) and has other qualities that may be unique, such as its large natural satellite; its hot metallic core, active vulcanism and plate tectonics this late in its life (essential for maintaining its protective magnetic field, which in turn preserves the atmosphere and doesn't allow it to be lost to the solar wind as Mars's atmosphere has been); its history of mass extinction events that have wiped out a large portion of life but not so much that more complex forms could not survive and radiate out into new areas and newly fill ecological niches, giving rise to the asounding biodiversity we have now and have had in ages past; and its stable host star, which never seems to fluctuate too much in temperature or throw out too much radiation for life on Earth to handle. Aliens have quite a lot of hurdles to clear if they want to become anything like human beings, including not only having the above conditions met, but achieving the right genetic dice-rolls to have the kind of intelligence that mammals in particular, and primates more in particular exhibit today, and then achieving civilization of a sufficiently peaceful, stable and productive level that science and a space program could even be developed. We could, against great odds, have alien neighbors with largely comparable intelligence to our own that nevertheless will never achieve space travel for one reason or another, and may not even develop technology such as our own. There is no predicting how an alien mind will work, but I see no reason for an alien intelligence to be so much like our own that it would also do all of the things we've done where astronomy and space exploration are concerned. The environment of their planet (or moon?) would also, once again, play a role here, since again, that world may prevent them from seeing the stars and/or being able to achieve orbit or leave their world the way we are able to escape Earth on top of a rocket.

So, bottom line, not only is the evidence for visiting aliens all but non-existent at this point (consisting of misinterpreted video recordings of other phenomena, unverified claims and deliberate hoaxes), but the odds are, in my estimation at least, exceedingly against intelligent aliens evolving near enough to us to be likely to send any sort of craft to our world. There is also the problem of deep time. There is just so much time available in the universe for civilizations to rise and fall that we can't count on an alien intelligence achieving space travel at the same time we have achieved space travel of our own; the next alien civilization might have tens, hundreds, even thousands of years left to go yet before they even develop technology equivalent to what we have now. We must remember that through much of our own history, we were hunter-gatherers, and that even after achieving agriculture and civilization, it took thousands of years more to get to where we are. And then there's the fact that even we aren't yet very well able to send spacecraft to other star systems, although we are finally at the point of at least discussing it and designing potential robotic spacecraft that we might one day send out.

I'm sure there are intelligent, space-faring aliens out there somewhere even now, but if so, then they most likely are not even in our galaxy, or if so, are in a part of this galaxy so far away that we may not encounter them for hundreds of thousands of years, if ever. And who knows how we will be doing by then? One unstoppable calamity could still wipe us out the same as the dinosaurs. If a sufficiently large space rock were to come our way that we couldn't divert it in tme, we would probably die out, or come close to it, and be set back a very long time in our technological development as a consequence. The universe is a very dangerous place for life, really. Even life on Earth gets wiped out periodically due to all manner of global natural disasters, including climate change. Oh, and the sun is aging in such a way that Earth will be too hot to support our kind of life in a matter of some millions of years, if I'm not mistaken.

We're here in spite of great odds, and we may not yet survive what the sun, the earth and other cosmic bodies have yet to throw at us. Aliens face the same challenges.

 

Ooh, me, me, me... I had several alien encounters when I was younger. This is a core part of my identity. So, I voted:
* Yes, I believe in them
* Yes, I've seen them they are real and I know what I saw
* Yes, I know because I was abducted

I even put alien abductee in my profile here, in my info section.

 

But technically, once you leave the Earth, are you not an extraterrestrial being?

And if the observer who fleetingly sees you cannot identify your method of transport, isn't that an unidentified flying object piloted by an extraterrestrial?

Hmmmm.....

 

I am absolutely convinced that space aliens exist, live on this planet, and have had kids.

Yes, I've taught in public education for close to thirty years now. Why do you ask?

 

Are you serious, if you are, PM me. If your are just kidding, that's okay. But if you believe you were abducted, I'd like to ask you some questions.

 

We are not unique, they are finding more exo planets all the time.

Everything you wrote is based on assumptions, especially the one that 'no evidence' has been provided.
This tells me you have not researched this subject at all.

You argument, or ones similar to yours, rises or falls on the premise that, 'if they had real evidence, they would publish it, we would know'.

That, is an assumption.

Given enough time, (infinity, perhaps?) all that is possible is inevitable.

Wherever life is possible, given enough time, it is inevitable.

We know this because it has happened here. If it happened here, it can happen elsewhere.

"Odds' is not an issue when we are talking about billions of years.

You say 'odds', but if an alien race is a million years more advanced than us, the odds greatly go in their favor.

 

Because UFOS do not travel form A to B in a conventional fashion. They have conquered gravity, and I believe it has something to do with zero point energy, and these things can travel in ways that defy conventional physics. If our government has this 'anti-gravity' technology, and I believe they do, they will keep it under wraps for its potential for weaponization. WE already flubbed the manhatten project and the enemy made a nuke, they sure as hell are not going to let Russia acquire this technology. THAT is why they are suppressing it. There are black projects, off budget, and one is the TR3B, a 'black triangle' and the thing has been seen all over the planet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_triangle_(UFO)#TR-3A_Black_Manta
There are videos of it on youtube, most are fake, but a couple are legit. If you knew anything about this subject you would know this, so this tells me you know nothing about the subject and lack curiosity.

For me, knowledge of aliens and their technology which, if known, could revolutionize life on our planet, plus all of the other astounding things it would represent, I'm amazed at how few people know about it, are curious about it, but a growing cadre of people are.

I'm just trying to light a spark. For you to know what I now, you'd have to travel on a similar journey, and it is a long one.

I'm just trying light a spark. Others have to do the rest. There's a lot of chaff, but there's wheat, if one is wise about it.

You'd really have to wade, and you would, if you were curious about the subject.

I mean, one either is, or one isn't. It's really that simple.

 

No, extraterrestrial refers to where something is from, not just where it is now. Sorry.

 

That's just made-up speculation though. You've presented absolutely nothing to suggest any of that is even possible, let alone that it's definitively true. If feels like you've decided that UFOs are definitely explained by alien spaceships on the basis of belief but then have to throw in a whole load of speculation and fantasy to make your belief fit all of the evidence. I don't share your apparent (though not unique) need to hold on to a definitive answer so I can focus on what actual evidence there is and, where it is inconclusive, accept that we simply don't know (yet).

Why? If you agree that a whole load of information on the topic is trash but you've already done the leg-work of identifying some that (in your opinion) isn't, why not just present that? If you invite a new friend to your home, do you give them the address or do you just make them work out where you live on their own?

I've already said that I'm not curious enough and don't give this topic high-enough importance to put in that much effort, especially not for a blind leap in to what I already know is a massive swamp of lies, fraud and insanity, even if there are any nuggets of truth hidden amongst it. If you really wanted people to find those truths, you'd be willing to put in the effort to help them.

Of course, you wouldn't be able to do that if you just wanted an excuse to dismiss out-of-hand anyone who questions your beliefs, setting this up for a "Well you're just not looking hard enough!" default line. That strikes me as depressingly similar to the all too common religious line of "You can't know God exists until you accept that God exists".

 

My purpose in this thread was NOT to prove anything. I was inviting discussion, not confrontation.

It's a survey.

You are not curious about this subject, that is clear, and that is fine, no problem with that, but I prefer only help those who a curious and friendly.. In my view, you are not in a position to render merit worthy judgement on this or that, though you make think so.

Moreover, your confrontational demeanor and tone is not one I care to deal with on this particular subject ( though I don't mind it on political matters).

Therefore, we shall let it go.

Thanks for your long and thoughtful reply.

I do not believe in God, so I don't see that as a good comparison.

And on:
You'd really have to wade, and you would, if you were curious about the subject.

If you were in a non-confrontational mode, I'd ask you just to trust me on that point. But, since you are (being confrontational), I can't ( because you won't, obviously ). I can't demonstrate, in 25 words or less, it's veracity. You'll of course, make an assumption and render some kind of judgement, but, unbeknownst to you, you are in no position to render such a judgement, no matter what you may think. There is a journey that has to be had. The first priority is a burning curiosity. Without it, there is no point in continuing, thank you for your long and thoughtful reply.

 

The topic is irrelevant. You're promoting acceptance of a specific, detailed assertion on the basis of belief alone and I consider that kind of thing dangerous. I'm not going to apologise for being a little confrontational about it. I know I'm never going to convince you (at least not to the point your admit it), my replies are more to offer balance for anyone else who happens to be reading your claims.

 

Totally a believer in other life / civilizations exist. The universe is way too large for there to not be. As to whether or not they have been here, hard to say. It is certainly possible.

 

I'm not promoting anything. It was a survey, and an invitation to discuss.

For example, if someone throws up an objection, in a friendly, courteous manner, I would reply with something like 'well, have you considered......" etc, in a friendly courteous manner. But, with you, there is no 'friendly and courteous', your language is judgmental and arrogant, and while you are admonishing me for assumptive behavior you are guilty of it yourself, noting that one man's 'little' is another man's 'alot', therefore.....

Your, tone, sir, is not conducive to said discussion, as far I am concerned.

I will not be discussing it with you any further, for that reason, unless, of course, you repent, say a few hail mary's, and send me a photograph of your having written on a blackboard:
"I am sorry to be so confrontational to Patricio on the subject of UFOs, and promise from now on to be courteous and friendly" 50 times.
and, the '50 times' is negotiable, I might accept less. (er.hopefully you can grasp humorous metaphor ).

See, on the subject of UFOs, a thing which I've been into for a very long time, I respond only to courteous, friendly, and a modicum of humility, and I will do my best to return that favor. Inclusive of being courteous is not rendering little snarky judgments such as '' If you really wanted people to find those truths, you'd be willing to put in the effort to help them." and the answer to that is, yes, I'd be more than willing, but not to those who are confrontational make arbitrary demands and especially to those who tell me they are not curious.
And, the reason is that I'm not seeking converts, I don't care if you are anyone believes it or not, but I would be willing to help those who are courteous and friendly, but more so for those who have a burning curiosity. Now, that does not imply 'blind acceptance' at all, so don't assume that it does, it does presume 'open mind'. I accept that 'healthy skepticism' is a good thing, and i approach the subject with that in mind, every person I communicate with the subject is entitled to that stance. For those who do not have a burning curiosity, at the minimum, friendly and courteous is required by me.

There really is no other way to delve into this subject. I KNOW, very well, the lunacy and mire that surrounds it, and you must understand, I'll make every consideration to be mindful of it in my process.

You ask for this or that, which I would be happy to oblige, but NOT to someone who is confrontational, not even a little bit. Why? because I'm not trying to sell anything, or at least not to a degree that's worth being confrontational, Because little becomes a lot, in short order, this I know to be true especially on this subject. The OP was an invitation for discussion, not heated debate. Though some heat is inevitable, but, mindful of my request, we agree mutually on striving for, to the best of our abilities, friendly and courteous sans snarky judgements.

 

I dunno. That sounds like a xenophobic theory to me.

 

U-huh.

Clearly not.

 

Why do many people believe UFOs are alien space craft from some advanced civilization, believing advanced meaning technology having capabilities exceeding what humans have thus far developed? That thinking to me is missing the underlying logic of how that would be possible other than wishful thinking.

 

No way to know without examining and testing one in a NASA lab.

 

No, they don't exist.

 

LOL, you never think about it going the other way.

 

If it goes the other way no human will know anything.

Unless they want to take slaves.