Do we have another Trump Tower equivalent in the White House now?

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  1. StillBlue

    StillBlue Well-Known Member

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    It should also be noting that the Ukrainian chief prosecutor finished his investigation before the call and offered publicly to show the evidence to American investigators.
     
  2. bx4

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    Fine. Whatever. The prosecutor can show whatever he wants to his American counterparts.

    The president should not get involved in law enforcement / justice issues. Full stop. Otherwise it looks like he is politicising the criminal justice system.

    Which is exactly what Trump is trying to do. This is not just opposition research. It is using his office to directly pressure a foreign government to investigate political opponents - who are not even under investigation in the US.
     
  3. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is it written in law somewhere that he should not? Or are libs just angry that it seems like an unfair advantage? All is fair in love, war, and politics. The left had been trying scumbag tricks to bring down the president since he has been in office, and even before. I don’t blame him for fighting dirty. Show me where it is against the law.
     
  4. bx4

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    Yes.

    https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates...-taking-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/

    "Foreign nationals
    Campaigns may not solicit or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local. This prohibition includes contributions or donations made to political committees and building funds and to make electioneering communications. Furthermore, it is a violation of federal law to knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making, acceptance or receipt of contributions or donations in connection with federal and nonfederal elections to a political committee, or for the purchase or construction of an office building. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, acting as a conduit or intermediary for foreign national contributions and donations."

    Contribution includes anything of value. The work done by Ukrainian law enforcement / investigators / prosecutors would have value.

    There are rules, even in politics. I am genuinely shaking my head that anyone could think it is OK for the president to ask a foreign president to investigate a political opponent. An opponent who is not even under investigation at home.

    Every American patriot knows it is wrong. Only the America-hating Trump supporters think it is OK.
     
  5. JakeStarkey

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    It cheers hundreds of millions of American who want Trump out of office.
     
  6. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope, and this will come back to bite democrats.

    It’s Deja-Vu All Over Again – The Ukraine Effort is Simply “Obstruction 2.0″…
     
  7. ronv

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    If you listen real close you can hear why he did it.
     
  8. Reality

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    Are you unaware that his kid was being investigated by that prosecutor he wanted fired?
    He as much as admits to it as a quid pro quo right there.
     
  9. StillBlue

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    You seem to be unaware that the West and the IMF wanted that prosecutor fired precisely because he wasn't investigating Jr's and other high profile targets. It was after his firing that they were investigated. With the money that the West was pumping in they wanted some protection against the then rampant corruption and that guy was not the protection that they needed. This bit about he being fired while investigating Jr was a complete fabrication and debunked long ago.
     
  10. Reality

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    You seem to be unaware that he didn't bite on Jr because papa was threatening him with the quid pro quo. If you think that conversation biden blabbed about was the only time he put it to them, you're probably really fun at magic shows.
     
  11. StillBlue

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    So Biden's threat of quid pro quo if he didn't get rid of the prosecutor who was not instigating his son's company and install one that would was what again? Protecting his son? That's some weird logic.
     
  12. Robert E Allen

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    Trump isn't the media..

    If you get your news from TV or radio you are misinformed which is far worse than being ignorant.
     
  13. yardmeat

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    If you get your information from Trump, you are in far worse shape.
     
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  14. struth

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    Um the president is the head of federal law enforcement: justice

    The corruption took place in the Ukraine not the United States
     
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    Maybe maybe not.. he was right about Russian collusion and the media knew thw whole story and ran with it anyway..
    For 3 years they knowingly lied to the American people becauae they hate Trump.

    That's not what the founding fathers meant by freedom of the press.
     
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  16. ronv

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    No, I'm not.
    The info I have seen is that the investigation of that company (not Hunter Biden) had been closed for over a year.
     
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    You have an impressive spin. In your version Joe Biden had a prosecutor fired who would not investigate his son for corruption. Right. Got it.
     
  18. Reality

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    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived

    "But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member."

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    Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”

    He added: “I would like to emphasize the fact that presumption of innocence is a principle in Ukraine” and that he couldn’t describe the evidence further."



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    Although Biden made no mention of his son in his 2018 speech, U.S. and Ukrainian authorities both told me Biden and his office clearly had to know about the general prosecutor's probe of Burisma and his son's role. They noted that:

    • Hunter Biden's appointment to the board was widely reported in American media;
    • The U.S. Embassy in Kiev that coordinated Biden's work in the country repeatedly and publicly discussed the general prosecutor's case against Burisma;
    • Great Britain took very public action against Burisma while Joe Biden was working with that government on Ukraine issues;
    • Biden's office was quoted, on the record, acknowledging Hunter Biden's role in Burisma in a New York Times article about the general prosecutor's Burisma case that appeared four months before Biden forced the firing of Shokin. The vice president's office suggested in that article that Hunter Biden was a lawyer free to pursue his own private business deals."

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      Most of the general prosecutor’s investigative work on Burisma focused on three separate cases, and most stopped abruptly once Shokin was fired. The most prominent of the Burisma cases was transferred to a different Ukrainian agency, closely aligned with the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, known as the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU), according to the case file and current General Prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko.

      NABU closed that case, and a second case involving alleged improper money transfers in London was dropped when Ukrainian officials failed to file the necessary documents by the required deadline. The general prosecutor’s office successfully secured a multimillion-dollar judgment in a tax evasion case, Lutsenko said. He did not say who was the actual defendant in that case.

      As a result, the Biden family appeared to have escaped the potential for an embarrassing inquiry overseas in the final days of the Obama administration and during an election in which Democrat Hillary Clinton was running for president in 2016.

      But then, as Biden’s 2020 campaign ramped up over the past year, Lutsenko — the Ukrainian prosecutor that Biden once hailed as a “solid” replacement for Shokin — began looking into what happened with the Burisma case that had been shut down.

      Lutsenko told me that, while reviewing the Burisma investigative files, he discovered “members of the Board obtained funds as well as another U.S.-based legal entity, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, for consulting services.”"
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      Lutsenko said some of the evidence he knows about in the Burisma case may interest U.S. authorities and he’d like to present that information to new U.S. Attorney General William Barr, particularly the vice president’s intervention.

      “Unfortunately, Mr. Biden had correlated and connected this aid with some of the HR (personnel) issues and changes in the prosecutor’s office,” Lutsenko said."
     
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    This is really what has the Dems up in arms! They are desperately trying to deflect from the fact, Biden is corrupt
     
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    Sure. Since he got fired for not investigating anything I bet he said he was going to investigate lots of people. What would you expect?
     
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    Don't make it difficult. It's not.
    Just release the report to congress like good boys and girls.
     
  22. Reality

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    Did you miss the part where according to official records he was investigating Burisma at the time he was fired?
     
  23. struth

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    No need to do that...there is an ongoing criminal probe....we can't risk the Dems from leaking that information
     
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    Great. Then lets investigate Ivanka's Chinese patents that she received while visiting there as an official representative of the United States government
     
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    All those tricks were INVENTED by the right.

    Just remember this post when the left takes control next time.
     

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