Do you believe in a living wage?

28k in income taxes and only $2400 in property tax?
A university and community college are quite different.
What's your take on Stafford?

 

My home is not large. It's a single story ranch style with a market value of around $300k but an assessed value of $156k (this due to a law passed some years ago limiting the rise in assessed value).

I googled and learned a little about Stafford loans. I have never used one myself. My son went to university on the GI Bill, and I am paying for my daughter without the use of a loan. That will be over this year thankfully. From what I read, they look like a good option.

Why all the questions? What does this have to do with the living wage concept? In this thread, I have suggested that we can keep wages low, in which case some of our tax burden is used to support them with welfare as we do now. Or, we could consider allowing them to work for wages that would replace the need for welfare. But these wages wouldn't exceed what they're getting from welfare; they would just replace the welfare. I'm not suggesting that a "living wage" would get anybody on Easy Street. But yes, the wages would be higher than what they are now, but people in higher brackets wouldn't be paying for welfare and subsidizing their medical insurance with higher premiums.

 

Can you prove such is the case? Of course not..

The middle class. Certainly the top 10% didn't.

Not hardly. The studies I have seen show that the wealthy pay 40% of the taxes, and many pay none like Trump, and they definitely benefit from the spending on the military, etc. So even statistically speaking they are benefiting from welfare.

It is the way Trump has done it, and the likes of Carnegie did it. In fact, the vast majority of Trumps cabinet choices did it the same way. e.g Mnuchin

 

Trump implied while campaigning that he would eliminate the EPA so those who voted for Trump knew it could happen...

 

IMO times have not changed regarding college...what has changed is how kids and parents approach the process of college today.

Society cannot force all people to be smart through education. Only those kids with a desire to be educated and a focus to allow this to happen will benefit. And regarding work, an education only gets a person in the door...after that they must perform and compete to keep their jobs...

 

Well...maybe we need to teach empathy in school...

 

For you facts are not enough...you must attach politically charged words to things you don't like or understand...like 'doom and gloom'??

I didn't make any comments whatsoever about how many people Earth can 'sustain'?

I would be curious to see your research and data explaining how Earth can 'easily' handle 50 billion people?

To review data and facts, like population growth, does not mean that I worry...I prefer to call it an awareness.

I know hundreds of liberals and hundreds of conservatives, and to be honest, say in the past one year, I have not heard any of them 'harping' about over-population??

I have no use for religions...

 

No. "Rote math" is not enough in today's world if you plan to continue in college in any technical topic. I would also say that "rote math" is not enough even for figuring out many of the public policy issues we face.

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Like I stated, there is nothing to "open up". If you want to start a school, come on over and give it a try!

I didn't say it SHOULD cost that. I stated that it DOES costs $20K/year to attend Seattle's independent, not for profit high schools (except those subsidized by a religious organization that is associated with the school). Also, I said that middle school doesn't cost much less.


The point in stating high school costs is that people were suggesting college should cost LESS than that. However, college has significantly higher costs than high school, so being more expensive than high school shouldn't be surprising.

 

I doubt that most who voted for Trump did so because of any specific policy position.

Anyone who was reading his policy statements knows they were a total mess and constantly changing.

 

"Force all people" is not something anyone has EVER suggested as an approach to college.

We haven't discussed what happens after college graduation - other than that on average, those who graduate from college earn about a million dollars more than those who didn't.


You can see that times have changed dramatically, simply by looking at tuition by year.

But, yes, that does require a different approach. In fact, the cost of college is a significant factor in who can attend, as not all kids have parents who can (or are willing) to approach that problem.

 

Are you denying it? Of course not.

Oh they most certainly did perhaps you missed the stock market fall and the business failures.

That's just the top 1% the high earners pay almost 90%. and yes when the people on welfare spend the money they get it goes back to the taxpayers who had it taken from them in the form of taxes, of course they don't get near back what was taken dollar for dollar.

And that is solely a matter of opinion. Of course the darlings of the left the Clinton's have their own "moral and ethical" problems and the standards were set with them, what happens in private lives doesn't matter. Do you know what White Water/Castle Grande was all about?

 

So why should the taxpayers, including those who did not get a higher education, fund that higher education. They can pay the $150,000 out of their $1,000,000. Seems like a pretty good deal.

 

Rote math is all 80% need and we are failing them for not teaching them simple basic marth. Others can go on from there. We did quite well from hundreds of years ago up until the 70's and 80's when we began to change how math was taught. I ask kids these days what's 13 + 10 and they have to figure out this process in their heads where in my day you knew it instantly.

As in public policy and funding ala vouchers for students to choose to spend in either a public OR a private school and open up competition to provide the best result.

Why should four years for a bachelor's degree cost more than 4 years for a high school degree. At least for the vast majority of the college students attend for. Business, English, Black Studies, even Math. Get into the sciences and medicine and the cost can go much higher but that is mostly post graduate.

But it still gets back to why should the taxpayers be funding higher education instead of putting that money in to primary education where we desperately need it so our workforce can compete with the rest of the world. I call on manufacturing and they have trouble hiring people because they can't train them because they can't read or do basic math.

 

I'm all for getting rid of illegal aliens, but don't expect wages and salaries to rise by any significant statistical difference as a result of their deportations.

 

Yeah, times have changed. Vocational and Tech schools are booming. The certificates and diplomas offered in those schools take half the time to complete, are cheaper, and students emergingvfrom them frequently have more job options and are paid better than those graduating with a 4 year degree.

 

I personally don't care if wages go up or down. It's a question of maintaining our culture. We're not Mexicans or Muslims. We are Americans, and our protestant upbringings are what I am comfortable with.

Want to be a muslim? Great! Go to Muslimistan and have a nice day!

 

The UN is motivated by a political agenda, not reason and sanity.

If the entire world's population lived in one city...



So many people are ignorant of the fact that there are 23 Million acres of fallow farmland in Ohio and 135+ Million acres of fallow farm land in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin and Missouri, according to the US Department of Agriculture.

That doesn't include the Millions of acres of grazing/pasture lands that are currently fallow as well.

And it doesn't include the Millions of acres of fallow farmland or pastures in the other 45 States, or in the rest of the world.

Sounds like a good question for a voting-poll.

 

Everyone benefits. Society benefits from an educated society. If you can't see that I can't help you.

 

The economic effects of minimum wages on GDP are questionable at most. Every time you increase the minimum wage, you force employers to seek greater value in their employees, meaning the least educated and least skilled suffer rates of higher unemployment. There's also the substitution effect, where higher labor costs force employers to seek low-cost alternatives, such as automation. You simply cannot violate the Laws of Economics without suffering negative consequences.

I was born in the US, and I'm only half-Romanian.

 

In 80 or so years of min wage. It has not stifled overall economic growth.
Usually the fed min wage is playing catch up. Bringing up the last 5% or so that haven't reached what the rest of the country is earning.
It's mostly a mute topic. But highly political.

 

Not everyone can be college-educated. The standards for college entrance have been ridiculously lowered to the point that less than average students are accepted. At most, perhaps 15.9% of Americans are intelligent enough to attend college, and if you limited college admission to those who score in the top 15%, college costs would be lower. It's simply a waste of money to educate people who have zero aptitude for education.

 

http://www.infoplease.com/world/religion/largest-us-churches.html
Thw USA is far from protestant.

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The countries that lead the world are the most educated.

 

Well...Trump is president because millions bought into his promises...

 

I said you can't 'force all people' to be smart through education.

It's great to achieve a college education that will support a good career. If a college educated job position did not pay more then most would stop attending college.

Tuition is tuition no matter the amount. Kids and parents must find a scenario that is affordable to them.

Why must an under-graduate education today be competed in four years? Why must it cost $150K? Why can't it take 6 or 8 or 10 years to complete? What's wrong with community college for two years and an affordable university for two years?

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They are great options for some people...

 

You need to understand the difference between facts and politics.

So you are saying your 50 billion should just pull up roots and locate to your small area in the US? That you can provide all the food and water they need, all the healthcare, medicine, energy, transportation, jobs, shelter, etc. Only in the very last remaining years of Earth will all of it's inhabitants live on the same ant hill. Some can migrate a few miles but you can't relocate billions of people especially when you don't have suitable places to relocate them.

Did you do some research to see how much water is available? What the weather patterns might be? What the soil conditions might be? What the sunlight conditions might be?

There are only about 4 million arable acres of land in the USA...not millions and millions and millions and millions and millions...