Do you believe in a living wage?

the living wage would be welfare for millions.

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there is a reason that prices always become unaffordable.
The FED, TREASURY, WALL STREET love triangle.

 

No one should make any wages. Then corporations can make the ultimate profit. For even the goods to make the product is near cost, because no one would need to add the cost of labor into the cost of making a product.

All costs would be material only. That is the most profitable way to run a corporation.
But if one is white, then they should make some small wage. Asians should pay to work, especially if the corporation is white owned.

 

And, the increased pay means that more is spent in the local economy, giving rise to more jobs.

You can't evaluate the full impact by taking a limited view of what one employer might do.

 

During the $15 dollar/hr minimum wage debate in California I heard from someone who was upset because they currently earned $15 dollars/hr at their job and the boss refused to raise the salary with the coming minimum rage rate going into effect. So the person went from making a decent wage to making minimum wage overnight.

It seems more and more people are going to be making minimum wage even as the cost of items goes up because of the minimum wage increase. So they're making less income compared to the rising cost of living in their area. More people slipping into poverty.

There can be no living wage minimum wage.

 

Oh, and Social Security has a supplementary income for poor and disabled persons.

The politicians are going to protect the poor when they reform Social Security and stuff. They have so far.

 

Is working 40 hrs/we scrubbing toilets working hard enough? In your opinion.
How much should one make scrubbing toilets?

 

Well, that is the question, isn't it?

Let me put it this way. WalMart makes an annual profit of about $15 billion. I do not want my tax dollars being spent on the employee of a company whose net profit is $15 billion. I want that company to do everything in its power to take care of that employee first before it turns to the taxpayer to do it for them.

 

Free market is a falsity. It only exists in text books. Those who believe there is such a thing is clueless on humanity.

 

The real problem is labor to job ratios! This country unfortunately is labor glutted and our weak economy is giving leverage to the companies! Mandating what a company has to pay will not solve or tip the scales of leverage it will only serve to make life a little more difficult for those that simply can't find jobs under these soft economic times!

Many of us older folks grew up when labor had leverage and speaking for myself worked for the highest wage offered! At that time you didn't give a second thought about "Dragging Up" for better wage and benny's because it was a pick and choose economy, companies simply had to compete with each other for labor and with any commodity the shortage of laborer reaped the benefits!

I literally when from $1.35 in high school to $51.75 per hour before retiring early with no real education other than HS, and basically OTJT! I doubt this country will see times like that ever again, and with that I believe we have some serious economic woe's staring us, well, our young in the face! I read one poster scoffed at "Dog eat Dog" but if you take a serious look at the kind of job market we have today and the amount of new workers leaving HS, trades, and College in this country every year along with immigration and all types of influx then the real "Dog eat Dog" has yet to be realized!

 

Sounds very very socialist. You know the military is the most socialist organization in the world? Darn near communist.

Govt programs? Also sounds very socialist. What happened to small gov't, personal responsibility?

Some who commit crimes do so, just to be able to eat and have a roof.

 

i guess this answers my 1st question.
Those who scrub toilets for a living don't deserve to live.

 

I see it as self-sufficiency, modestly and minimally, through work.

 

We could make entry level workers work for free. Then all other jobs will reduce in wages.
And things would become cheaper.

 

Please explain what you mean, so that I might respond.

 

Annnnnd...cue the Illegal Immigrant Card in three, two, one...

 

Yep, agree. Why would a job that was created by the demand for something, a product, a service, not pay at least a bare living wage? If a business cannot pay a living wage, and has to rely on the tax payers to make up the difference, so the worker can survive to work another day, then we do not need that business. If the demand is there for what that business provided, someone else will open a clone, but pay living wages. Problem solved.

Before the walmarts, and the large hardware chains, fast food chains, we had locally owned stores that provided the same service as these chains, which took their place, and closed them down. But before the big chains closed down locally owned stores, these stores paid their employees living wages. Their sales people got a percentage of their sales, plus wages. So they made living wages. But the neoliberal business model replaced the living wage businesses, with non living wage jobs which required welfare in order for their employees to survive. So I have seen both ways of doing business, and this neoliberalism is maxing out profits by taking it from labor, and then sticking it to the rest of us as we work to pay through the nose so these businesses can max out their profits, and wealth. So a mandatory living wage would solve this huge problem, and the way locally owned stores did it would be used by corporations. Forced into it yes, but they will not do it on their own as the locally owned businesses did.

 

Can you prove those making min wage have android phone, mulitiple flat screens, netflix and cable and gold chains? Or are you just making stuff up?
I bet the vast majority making min wage, don't have maybe 1 of those things. And I agree. They don't need that Android phone.

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Anyone in the military should only receive training, room and board. Nothing else. It will reduce our taxes.

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Maybe. Or the soup kitchens would be so overwhelmed, they'd not be able to feed those truly looking for a meal.

 

Yes, people should be able to work hard and move out of mom's basement.

Why can't they?

Why can't our hypothetical walmart greeter move out of the basement? So far, I've heard a lot of people agree that this should be a possibility, but not one reason why it isn't a possibility.

And no, a living wage law is not going to create that possibility. There has to be some fundamental change in the value of this greeter to his employer. Merely changing the law will only get rid of the greeter position, and then he's right back to the basement, but without a job.

If all people can do is say that it should be a possibility, he's going to die of old age in mom's basement.

 

How would one "know their value" in the market place? I don't know about you but when I go apply for a job, I just look at the description part where pay is mentioned. Then I either apply or I don't. I don't know how to look at that number and think, "well I think I am worth more than that...".

Seriously. How would people determine this number?

Excellent post, Seth. Couldn't agree more.

Trolling is against the rules.

 

See, that's where we don't agree. I don't see why Joe doing a job for Bill makes Bill become completely responsible for Joe's life. If Timmy shovels snow for me, am I suddenly obliged to care for him to the full extent of my abilities? I hope not, Timmy wants to go to Harvard.

Somewhere along the line we confused employer with parent. An employer is just someone buying a solution from you. He's your customer not your father. I don't agree your customer should have to do everything in his power to take care of you. If we make that the law, Timmy is going to loose me as a customer. And Joe may loose Bill too.



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Where has there ever been in history, a free market? Outside the economics text book.

 

There are streets in Hong Kong that get pretty close. (Don't go there alone)



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Supply and demand answers this quite admirably.

What about Bob the Greeter who you just canned?

 

Are you put out that i only gave 1 example of what a single employer might do to keep his doors open?

 

Above minimum wage, salary is set by our free market system.

If someone believes they should be paid more, they should take action on that.

And, I don't agree with your comment concerning more people falling into poverty due to rising minimum wage.

Remember that raising the minimum wage is NOT a raise of the poverty level. Poverty level has to do with cost of living.

And, there just aren't enough people working at minimum wage to change the cost of living by an amount that is significant enough to be noticed.