Do you believe that what Trump said on the call to Ukraine was appropriate?

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Was what Trump said to Zelensky on the infamous call appropriate?

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  1. Bush Lawyer

    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    Why would Trump care about past Ukrainian corruption?
     
  2. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Steele Dossier.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wonder why Adama Shiff had to lie about his relationship to the "whistleblower"? Well we're going to find out. Wonder why he had to make up his own rendition of the letter? Well we're going to find out. Wonder why Shiif hasn't recused himself? Well we're going to find out. Wonder who helped compose the letter? All these questions are very important considering Marxist/Globalist Americans have wanted to "impeach" from the day of the inauguration!
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if you are gonna ignore the evidence of wrong doing then that is on you... doesn't mean it did not happen
     
  5. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

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    The national polls were accurate within two percentage points. Clinton won the popular vote by nearly three million votes. That is what the polls predicted.

    It is a popular myth among Trump cultists that the polls were wrong. They weren't. They were very accurate. More than likely, so are the national polls today.

    The problem is, Trumpets don't want to believe them. So, they argue all the polls are wrong. Yes, that is irrational, but there it is.
     
  6. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Old fake news.
     
  7. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

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    He didn't. You are getting your information from Trump. That is never wise. He passed 12,000 lies a long time ago according to the Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks Trump's lies.

    Schiff said he had not met the whistleblower. He didn't staff did. The whistleblower needed help on what his next step should be. Schiff's staff told him where to go, the ICIG.
     
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    More developments as the circle is closing on Trump.

    Asked whether Giuliani remained his personal attorney, Trump said: “I don’t know.”

    “I haven't spoken to Rudy,” Trump told reporters. “I spoke to him yesterday, briefly. He's a very good attorney and he has been my attorney, yeah sure.”

    What a glowing endorsement. Rudy is gone, along with everyone else.

    GOP Sen. Cory Gardner on Thursday dodged a 'yes or no' question on whether it was appropriate for Trump to ask a foreign leader to investigate a political rival. The Colorado Republican refused to answer at least five times when asked. "Well look, this is what we're going to get into," Gardner said when pressed by reporters. "The Senate Intelligence Committee is having an investigation, a bipartisan investigation. Unfortunately, though, what we've seen is a very political process take over."

    Adding when asked again, "It's an answer that you get from a very serious investigation." Apparently, Gardner doesn't know if breaking a federal law is an impeachable offense.

    Testifying in defiance of Trump’s ban and Pompeo's orders, former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch told House impeachment investigators Friday that Trump himself had pressured the State Department to oust her from her post and get her out of the country.

    The diplomat was recalled from Kiev as Rudy Giuliani — Trump’s personal attorney — pressed Ukrainian officials to investigate corruption allegations against Democrat Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.

    Yovanovitch said she was fired from her post after insisting that Giuliani’s requests to Ukrainian officials for investigations be relayed through official channels, according to a former diplomat who had spoken with her.

    Throughout all this Trump is not bright enough to keep his mouth shut. He likes his role as a daytime television star even if he incriminates himself to preserve his stardom.
     
  9. Bush Lawyer

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  10. Sandy Shanks

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    I'm guessing Trumpets will stay away from this analysis. Too much reality. They hate reality and the truth.

    Republicans in Congress are getting concerned about Trump. It is not so much what they are saying. It is what they are not saying. In terms of defending the Republican President, their silence is deafening.

    They have reason to be concerned. Recently, on the White House South Lawn Trump was asked specifically what he wanted Zelensky to do, and he responded:

    "Well I would think that if they were honest about it they'd start a major investigation into the Bidens. It's a very simple answer. They should investigate the Bidens because how does a company that's newly formed -- and all these companies if you look at, and by the way likewise, China -- should start an investigation into the Bidens."

    "Because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine. So I would say that President Zelensky, if it were me, I would recommend that they start an investigation into the Bidens because nobody has any doubt that they weren't crooked."

    Trump has never explained what happened in Ukraine or China. What are China and Ukraine supposed to investigate? He doesn't say, but he did confirm the White House transcript of his call to Zelensky. This has Republicans a bit bewildered as well as concerned. What is the President talking about? He sounded unhinged, and virtually admitted to his guilt.

    The same man said this the very next day, “I don’t care about Biden’s campaign, but I do care about corruption,” Trump told reporters. “I believe there was tremendous corruption with Biden ... we are looking at corruption, we are not looking at politics.”

    Trump went as far as to insist “this is about corruption” or a close variant of that statement six times in less than 40 seconds, once again failing to define the corruption to which the Bidens were involved.

    Republicans are concerned about the apparent bipolar responses over a period of two days.

    Recently, Trump told reporters, "I always cooperate." Keep in mind, when listening to Trump's statements, as of Aug. 5, he has made 12,019 false or misleading claims, according to the Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks Trump's many lies.

    Sure enough, Trump was lying again. Trump is planning to tell House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that they will not cooperate with the ongoing impeachment inquiry until the full House votes to authorize it, officials said today.

    In other words, the Trump White House is going to tell the speaker to call a vote on an impeachment of the President. This has Republicans in Congress very concerned. That is a sign of a mental defect.

    In the meantime, how smart is it to let the opposition do all the talking? Trump refuses to allow current and former members of his administration to testify before Congress. Most of them will say nice things about Trump and protect him. Then he complains that the impeachment process is being unfair to him.

    Does that confirmed Trump's mental defect? Republicans in Congress very concerned.

    Democrats in the House are not concerned. They will simply add another charge to the impeachment proposal -- obstruction of Congress -- and proceed with their witnesses who will tell the Democrats what they want to hear.

    Trump is not intelligent enough to understand this.

    This has Republicans in Congress quite concerned.
     
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    It was the completely bogus basis for the FISA warrants and was based in large part on lies from Ukrainian “sources”.

    Who wrote the Wikipedia piece ???
     
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    Word salad. ^^^^
     
  13. FreshAir

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    the Trump tower meeting happened, do not care if you believe it or not
     
  14. Golem

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    Maybe it has to do with the dog whistle that Trump sent to his supporters threatening even the whistleblower's life

    Maybe... I don't know... don't give a crap! All I know is that Trump was caught trying to cheat again in the elections.
     
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    The meeting about what ???
     
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    read Trump jr's emails
     
  17. Golem

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    About cheating in the elections. Just like the phone call. Just like the hotel wiretapp... oh... wait... that was the other guy who also cheated.
     
  18. Jestsayin

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    Wrong again,
    https://www.thewrap.com/8-donald-tr...wrong-from-nate-silver-to-rachel-maddow-video

     
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  19. Bush Lawyer

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    I don't know but as you can see, it is very well sourced and all citations provided.
     
  20. AFM

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    What do they say ???
     
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    IT’S THE RUSSIANS !!!!!
     
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  22. AFM

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    Sure it is. Sourced from whom ???
     
  23. yabberefugee

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    Oh Sandy.....you think I am better off taking information from you? Remember, we won in 2016 and we're still winning!
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course you don't give a crap....like Shiff you've had an agenda since you lost in 2016. Full of hate for America, you'll resist to the end!
     
  25. Bush Lawyer

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    The people named in the citations and the many links.
     

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