Do you support gay marriage?

Disagreed, but an interesting perspective.

Agreed about what makes a nation great. Have you ever served in the military or government in order to further those goals or are you one of those that just bitch about it?

 

10A says states can make any laws they want as long as they don't usurp constitutionally delegated federal powers or do anything explicitly prohibited of states by the Constitution. Laws against abortion or sodomy, or countenancing man/woman marriage exclusively, clear both bars.

 

I was medically discharged from the military. Over the years I've watched and learned from our various wars, and concluded that war seldom solves or resolves any issues. Usually they simply provide the groundwork for the next war. The Gulf War of 1991 and the Iraq War of 2003 are good examples. World War I and World War II are another. History is inundated with a consistent flow of powerful nations who became powerful militarily and conquered their neighbors. But few of them accomplished anything great with that power. For me, the greatness of America is demonstrated by the following examples: 1. America became the first nation in history to claim "all men are created equal," and make that a core principle in their philosophy of government and its purpose. 2. After World War II, the U.S. came up with the Marshall Plan to aid and assist our former enemies in the war to recover both economically and from the massive civil damage caused by the bombing. Instead of treating the vanquished with contempt and hatred, we treated them with compassion. This act, for a brief span of time, set us apart from all former "Great" nations in history. 3. In spite of being motivated by the wrong reasons, during the 1960s, we accomplished something no other nation in history has ever done, before or since. The U.S. became the first (and only) nation to send human beings from the Earth to land on another world in space. The U.S. has been a major leader in technological innovation through the years, but the Moon landing was transitional in the way Mankind saw himself in the Universe. These are some of a number of ways I regard America as a "Great" nation. Making war and finding ever more efficient ways to murder the citizens of other nations isn't one of them.

 

Yes, it does. What does the 14th Amendment say? The 9th? Do you believe the Constitution limits government or limits individual rights?

 

I'm a military retiree and come from a family of military retirees (with one within a few years of joining the family tradition).

Agreed on your examples of America's greatness. Also agreed that attacking other nations without good reason goes against those ideals. How does all of that justify your accusation?

 

I cannot unvaryingly accommodate that request. Posts are sometimes too long and contain too many assertions to respond to the whole thing.

 

I invade no one's rights. I occasionally dispute the scope of their claimed rights.

 

The 10th amendment does not overwrite the rest of the constitution and does not allow states to ignore federal law. The Supreme Court is the only federal court that is explicitly mandated by the Constitution.

• Article 3 Section I. The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.

• Article 3 Section 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;

You cannot argue for the constitution and against SCOTUS.

• Article 4 Section 2. The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

Furthermore if the privilege, or right depending on if you follow precedent or not, of marriage is granted to same sex couples in one state (which would also grant federal privileges) they would have to be extend to across state lines.

That you believe states should be able to regulate who receives federal benifits as well as who people are allowed to have intercourse with shows how woefully inept you are at understanding both personal liberties and the protections afforded to all Americans.

 

Amazing how some people always and with no reason go straight to the most politically biased point.

 

You show incredible ignorance of the Constitution. All powers not explicitly delegated to the federal govt are reserved to the states and the people. The supreme court is not all powerful, it cannot legislate, all it is supposed to do is determine if congressional legislation is an exercise of the explicit powers listed in the Constitution.

 

Correct. Such as a local law that violates the 14th Amendment.

 

I don't think Jim gave a tinkers damn. He had his life and if one did not like it, too bad. Bear in mind he essentially died at his own hand.

 

People can put on a good front but if they die at their own hand through drugs, drinking themselves to death or put a gun to their head, then something is seriously wrong.

 

I dunno. I need to see a few hundred more Democratic anti-Trump homophobic cartoons before I decide on the poll.

 

You're in luck then, Mr Truth has got you're back lol.

 

There is plenty of infidelity to go around in all political parties not just the right wing. Remember the president of the cheaters club Bill Clinton? If people of the same sex wants to get married more power to them but the church does not have to perform the ceremony. If same sex marriage is wrong in God's eyes he will deal with it when they get to his desk after their life is over.

 

Correct, but it's the adulterers on the right side of the aisle who are whining about the sanctity of marriage, not the idiots on the left side.

There are two things you are arguing; the law and freedom of religion. Agreed, a church should not be be compelled to change their beliefs for government, but the law must treat everyone equally. I am against "special rules for special people" but I most certainly support "justice and equality for all".

 

Scrap legal marriage was my solution and I think it to be the best, true equality!

 

There are 1138 Federal rights and benefits associated with marriage. By scrapping those laws, the 14th Amendment issues of gay marriage disappear. OTOH, some issues remain, such as children.

 

We can work around them I never said it would be easy.

In reality children's rights should be separated from marriage anyway!

After all how many children are born out of wedlock? I see the rights of a parent don't change because of marriage! Either way.

 

It's a little more complex than that, but agreed legislation can work around it.

 

The very wording of the constitution disagrees with your statement with the exception they cannot legislate as they are a judicial branch.

 

Prove it.

 

Its only been in recent history that gays were not allowed to marry but even so, the definition of "marriage" has changed many times -

 

IOW, you invade the rights of others.

Seriously, I will never understand how anyone can believe they have the right to "dispute the scope of the claimed rights" of consenting adults.


Live and let live.

MYOB