Do you support gay marriage?

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Do you support gay marriage?

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  1. kreo

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    Temporary marriage is a right as well, but for some reason government strictly and aggressively prohibit it.
     
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    Why would they be LESS happy than women in the same circumstance? There is evidence that says men are also more unhappy if they don't have a family. However, I don't know if they are more or less unhappy than women in the same circumstance.

    I'm talking about people who have no family of their own.
     
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    Just on this law itself though - so it only applies during an election campaign? Earlier you were much more general: "[churches] cannot participate in the political process." Of course, they can can't they?
     
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    The question was “Do yoy support gay marriage?”

    And my answer is no

    If you call that bitching then so be it
     
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    Not choosing not to marry necessarily, but choosing not to have a partner and kids.

    Absolutely.

    Absolutely I believe that, certainly for the majority of women. Evidence supports it.

    Evidence and research into that specific case though right?

    Was it so much less in previous generations?

    Do you think these non-violent things seriously contribute to unhappiness? The inappropriate workplace stuff was RIFE in previous generations, the only difference being that it was perfectly appropriate! Women just accepted it, but did it actually make them unhappy?

    I wouldn't be very happy about it! But only because it is a man!
     
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    That is correct.

    What ones?
     
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    What is the problem with that post?
     
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    That is truly a good point.........
    very accurate but....... G-d has an astonishing sense of humour and.....

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a08
    Back in 1988 when I personally was a "member in good standing" of the Worldwide Church of God,
    back when I could elaborate for an hour or more on practically any chapter of the Bible that you could toss at me.......
    back when I thought that I knew pretty good what G-d / HaShem/ the Ancient of Days the Father...... and Messiah Yeshua - Jesus were about to do in the earth.........
    I was as guilty as hell of being like what Pastor Rick Joyner was shown so many Christians were like!

    Thirty years later..... .and finally I now know that I personally have almost no idea what Messiah Yeshua - Jesus may do or say to somebody today..... who may have a brush with death??????!

    http://64.71.77.248/fq-protestant/tfq-en.html


    In 1988.... if I and my church were not guilty of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.......
    we sure as ol' .... were close to it!
     
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    If one chooses not to have a husband and kids, why would that person be unhappy?
    You wouldn’t be happy about being sexually harassed by man,,,,well that is who sexually harasses women! Men whose actions repulse them. You seem to be sexually fantasizing here.
    A lot of things did not make us happy because we did not have our consciousness raised and just accepted. being second class citizens.Seems to me that now it is men who are unhappy because they have to compete with more than double the competition. They have to share the pie and they are not very happy about it. They want the women to be at home cooking and cleaning and they want all the power. So who do you think is the unhappy gender?
     
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    They would not necessarily be unhappy. Some people are great at handling solitude, but I would say that people - in general - wish to be loved and most also like children.

    Of course, "happiness" is a very abstract term and concept impossible to quantify due to its subjectivity. Thus, it is diffucult to talk about its level/degree in society. However, what we can see is that mental illness is skyrocketting among women, so - clearly - there are good reasons to argue women are becoming unhappier.
     
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    Could you expand on that please? I am unsure what you mean by temporary marriage.
     
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    Then your posts need to specify that, if that is all you are talking about. Religion is more that Christianity. Thus people can indeed be married religiously under faiths other than Christianity.


    I've attended several over my years in the Navy, some non-denominational. I will say that I am using church in the more individual congregation sense vs the overall organized denomination sense. I have also attended churches that were extremely judgemental and vowed I would never set foot in them again unless they changed.
     
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    This statement holds an unsupported presupposition that a lack of happiness is the source of the "skyrocketting (sic) mental illness". Please provide support for this claim.
     
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    They can participate in a neutral way. But they cannot "lobby" and they cannot support a "candidate." Those two terms are dictated by the IRS, Congress, and the Supreme court. I am not convinced I would want my Church active in politics. But I do know that I do not want the state involved in my Church in any way. It is a corrupting influence that can lead a congregation astray in the name of "the common good."
     
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    Mental illness is not skyrocketing among women....unmarried men are the most neurotic . Check out the violence among men....I call that mental illness

    The poster specifically cited women without children as being unhappiest
     
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    I think irs easy to confuse Christians with God

    He is perfect but humans are not
     
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    I don't support government marriage. But any two people should be able to form any contract they want and have it signed & enforced. You want to join resources? OK. You want to sign on the bottom line that you will be monogamous. OK. If you really need the gov to enforce your lifestyle choices, go for it and we will accommodate you. But do you really need the government to protect you from your mate?
     
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    Some people always view themselves as the "victim". Much of what you claim does not ring true.
    Sexually Harassed by Men? If you are hanging out in meat markets, expect men to hit on you. If he becomes annoying, tell the management and he will be tossed out. If it happens at work, report it and the perpetrator will be immediately fired.
    Second class citizen? Sounds like you have an inferiority complex. Are you not allowed to vote, drive, go into any business, have every guaranteed right? What makes you second class? The only right a man has that a woman doesn't is the right to get drafted. If I were you I would not be too unhappy about that.
    Men don't mind competition, they thrive on it. What they do expect is fair play. No one should get a promotion or job due to skin color or sex. The best candidate should get the job or promotion.
    Do all the cooking and cleaning? If the men in your life see you as a servant, you need to broaden your horizon. That only happens if you allow it. That said, some women and some men enjoy being a home maker. They would much rather stay home, tend the kids, clean and cook than fight the corporate politics. I know many of the "liberated" women look down on "soccer moms" but that shows a narrow mind.
    Different things make different people happy. Some are always happy, some are never happy. Every person regardless of sex will get the short end from time to time. If you see that as being proof that you are persecuted, you are a fool. If you dwell on being the eternal victim, you will be the eternal victim. You will never be happy. If you view every event through sex colored glasses you are doomed to be unhappy.

    On another matter, children are a huge source of pride and joy. I know of a half dozen or so women who chose not to have children. Most did it because they were greedy. They did not want to be saddled down with a child. They wanted to spend their money on jewelry, travel, cars and boats not kids. All regretted it when they got older. For many of us nothing is better than playing with your grandchildren or sharing in the accomplishments of your children and grandchildren. Seeing the glee on a young man's face when he hits his first home run and sharing in that can not be duplicated.
     
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    What about Zeus?
     
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    What is a meat market?
     
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    Zeus has a problem keeping it in his pants....or toga.....or whatever he wears.
     
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    Ah, nothing like a man who has no clue. How would you feel if you walked down the street and a bunch of huge men made sexual comments. Ah yes, just complain about your boss and he’ll be fired...lol
    You see, I was an activist feminist and obviously you’re young and don’t understand the status of women and what we didn’t get until we fought men like you, who just see things in black and white
    I always laugh at people who know women who look down on homemakers....no, it’s not women, we have fought for them to get protected. If men respected the role, they would do it! Your email just another guy pitting women against women
    You seem to think I Believe I am a victim because you keep repeating that. I am married to a very strong and powerful man who is also a feminist. He knows damn well had he not been a white male he never would have been the success on Wall Street that he was and he will be the first want to tell you that. But the word victim is not a dirty word. I was not alllowed to apply to Harvard...I was not allowed to get my own credit card when I married, etc. yes, I was a VICTIM of sexism and these changes didn’t happen overnight. I am a strong women who fights injustices and when I win, I am extremely happy. Sounds like you’re not
    And I bet you don’t think you’re sexist comments about women who didn’t want children are greedy is inane, you reduced them to a sexist stereotype. Seems men are the ones hung up on boats and cars
    I agree , being a grandparent is great....and some regret not having kids,,.but why is it women you see in that role?
     
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    And while I too also know many women who have regretted not having kids, I know just as many who have never regretted having kids even as they are in their twilight years. I am one of those guys who is very much looking forward to being a big part of my 8 (so far) grandchildrens' lives. My brother, has no desire to have any kids, yet alone grandkids of his own. He is happy being the eccentric uncle. Women are no different in this aspect. Some are happier with kids, others are happier without them.
     
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    Wow, talk about a hypocrite. The feminist who accuses me of knowing nothing about women because I am not one, knows all about what men are about. Some men are home makers. It is more common everyday. Usually in families where the woman is the bigger wage earner. Wait, how can that be. In your world women can't make more money than men.

    If your husband is a feminist he is not a man. He gave up his man card to be accepted by liberal twits. If the only reason he was successful was because he was white, he needs to share his story with the millions of poor white people. Just show up and be white, they will give you money. Tell that to Oprah Wintry.

    You constantly whine about not being able to get a credit card. That practice ended in 1974. It is time to get over it. I couldn't get one in the early 70's either. I had not established credit. I had just got out of the Army after being drafted. I had just returned from enjoying the jungle resorts in Vietnam. No money, no job, no credit. I got over it, you should too. If you were not allowed into Harvard, it was because of your grades. Harvard went COED in 1879.

    I think your biggest problem is your are a victim of relating the truth.
     

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