Do you support gay marriage?

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Do you support gay marriage?

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  1. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    I draw my conclusion from your own words....
    Yes, some men are homemakers but acting like it’s commonplace is disingenuous. Most of them “work at home” and would not call themselves homemakers or house husbands .I am talking about men whose main role is home making
    Stop talking like an extremist again , I never said women can’t make more than men.
    My husband is more of a man than you’ll ever be. He is intelligent enough to know that a feminist is one who believes in equal rights for women...he’s not afraid of women. He doesn’t cling to his “man card” like you apparenty do.
    My husband comes from the worst poverty I have ever seen. He dropped out of high school to join the navy where they acknowledged his abilities . He got out and became a cop, but hated it. He came to nyc with a buddy and the only work he could do was security work, having been a cop. The personnel person heard “securities” and that was Wall Street. , so he said ok...He was a clerk and ended up retiring a VP in his 40s. He would tell you had he been black or female he never would have been given the opportunity to go to the trading floor. Today, thanks to people who care about discrimination, that has changed quite a bit.by the way mr extremist he never said the “ONLY” reason was because he was white....
    I am well over having credit cRds...but i was before those nasty feminists fought for them. I guess you’d be fine with having to ask your wife to sign for you get a credit card. I take great joy in seeing young women take all these things for granted...like title 9 sport etc
    Obviously you don’t know much about universities if you think Harvard u
    Undergrad admitted females.bet you think Yale and Princeton did too. Radcliffe was not Harvard and Harvar started admitting women in The 60s.....because of those damn feminists
    In NYC males needed a lower average than girls to get Into the city colleges.
    Obviously I am not the victim of relating truth, I am one who believes in educating herself
     
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    I have to say it hard to find anyone looser with the facts.
    Fact number one. The Navy doesn't accept High School Dropouts.
    Fact number two. You have to have 2 years of college to be a NYC cop.
    Fact number three. Wall Street firms do not hire anyone without an undergraduate degree at a minimum.
    Fact number four. To be a Wall Street Trader you need an undergraduate degree and pass an exam to get a license.
    Fact number five. You will never be a VP on Wall Street without a MBA at a minimum.
    Of course he is white. I guess that allows you to bypass all the requirements. I am also sure you forgot to tell me he played in the NBA, invented the internet, and was an astronaut.
    Since you got caught in your lie about Harvard, you throw in some off the wall crap about NYC Colleges. I googled the requirements to get into NYC Colleges and found no discrepancy between the sexes in requirements for the same college. I did find that women outnumber men by 57% to 43% which seems odd since you say they are discriminated against.
     
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    Sex between two consenting adults is a temporary marriage.
    Temporary marriage is strictly prohibited in U.S. men get arrested for attempt to have sexual encounter with a woman advertised on the website like backpage.
     
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    Completely and factually wrong, or at least how you presented it. Maybe there is a detail you left out. There is no ban on sex between any two consenting adults. At worse there is only a ban on money being exchanged for said sex. It can be done for free all the adults want.
     
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    Not according to any religious texts as far as I'm aware. I didn't say that no religion PERFORMS same sex marriages, just that their texts do not support it. And if their texts do not support it, then they have no authority to say that the two people of the same sex are recognised by their God as a legitimate union. Of course, I'm sure that there are many Christian churches for example, that acknowledge that it is not a legitimate union, but are just doing it to please people, or in a pathetic attempt at being 'relevant and inclusive' and/or in a desperate attempt at gaining new members. Take the Uniting Church in Australia for example. They've got no members, so I suspect that they decided to endorse same sex marriage and perform them with the hope that it will bring people running through the doors! It will be hilarious when they discover that it hasn't worked!

    You mean independent churches that aren't affiliated with any other churches?

    What were they judgemental about?
     
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    'Temporary marriage' is an Islamic thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut'ah


    Men in the US are arrested for using prostitutes. Is this what you mean?
     
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    Actually, I think its pretty easy. All you need is a poll which asks people about how happy they are. The subjectivity of "happiness" doesn't stop us from assessing happiness levels in society.
     
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    Because having a family makes most women happy!

    :roflol: Uh what? How?


    Do you think these non-violent, inappropriate workplace things seriously contribute to unhappiness though?

    Oh, no question that it is men! (suicide rate)

    Do you think that I was saying that women without children are more unhappy than men?
     
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    Don't know if it was you or another poster (on my phone and not bothering to try all that scrolling ), but as I noted before, religion is not limited to the Judeo-Christian or Islamic variations. Wicca, for example, has no prohibitions on same sex marriage. Additionally, since much of religion is interpertation, various subgroups within a given religion do interpret things differently. The Sabbath is a great example. The Jewish see the Sabbath as sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. 7th Day Adventists see it as Saturday, while many others view it as Sunday, because a Pope wanted the Sabbath to be the same day as Easter. All based upon the same holy text.

    Hasn't worked in what way? Your idea that the same sex couples are not married before whatever Diety, or new membership? I know of several church's (again as in individual units since I don't bother trying to follow the big overall organizations) where same sex couples have joined because of such changes. Universal Unitarian Churches have long since had same sex couples.

    And smaller organizations. While not an example of a church organization that supports SSM, there was once a chain (for lack of a better word) of churches based in the Baltimore area known as Rock Church that had somewhere around a dozen or so individual congregations. Mind you this was over 25 years ago, so I don't know if they are still around. As an example of things they believed that most others Christian churches didn't, if you had not been baptized in their specific church, then you were not baptized at all.

    I point back at Rock Church as one example. One ended up being rather racist. One focused more on your clothes before they looked at your soul. It's been a couple of decades since then. Quite frankly, I'm not sure I could find them to see if they had changed
     
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    -Try educating yourself.... the first thing you should be aware of the time....we are talking about a long time ago.when my husband joined the navy,it wasn’t required, I believe he was able to get his GED there
    - This is a problem with those who don’t educate themselves. They don’t ask questions. Perhaps if you did you would know that I wasn’t talking about New York. He was a state trooper in Connecticut and all that was required was a GED and he got a second one from the state of Connecticut
    -Wall street hired him as a clerk in the accounting department ..called back office, became manager and was given the chance to trade
    -And again you are wrong because he did not need a degree to be a trader but you are correct he had to pass an exam to get a license and at the time he was with Salamon brothers and they paid for for the training for the exam,
    And I do have to laugh because you keep repeating the same thing and never once asked when this happened. Practically every bond trader on Wall Street is a VP. I remember something so funny. When my husband was back office he had this big fancy office and when he became a trader he had just a little alcov. my daughter came home so disappointed when she saw his space and also realized , “practically everyone down there is a VP” . He was trained by several securities guys, maybe you heard of one, michael Bloomberg?
    Now i you were willing to educate yourself rather than calling somebody a liar you would know that Harvard did not accept girls. They had a sister college called Radcliffe but that was still not the actual Harvard university where the best networking and endowments were made. Radcliffe was for girls....Harvard was for boys .come on, rather than call me a liar, try educating yourself. You should be embarrassed but I’m sure you are not . Harvard merged with Radcliffe in 1999. By the way blacks weren’t allowed to live on campus and jews had a quota
    So the point that it took civil rights actions went right over your head. I was dumb enough to think that you were aware that I was talking about the past and all the changes that have occurred. Not one thing I said was not true but if you had asked one question you would have realized all was true.
    Yes women are now the majority of colleges and medical schools and law schools. Why do you suppose that is? Did women just get smarter than in the 60s? We didn’t have the luxury of the white male affirmative action! White males did not have to compete with more than half the population. I remember telling my class that I could not apply to Stuyvesant high school because I was a girl and the kids said, “you must have been so angry” and I explain to them that was just the way it was.
    Well I hope you learned something here .....look at it as a history lesson.
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    Having a family does indeed make most women happy. I agree . Don’t you think having a family makes most men happy also?
    When I asked you how you would feel if a bunch of men were harassing you on the street you implied it would bother you because they were men. The fantasy is that it wouldn’t bother you if it were women.Women don’t fantasize about being disrespected and made to feel uncomfortable by men
    Being uncomfortable in the workplace does in fact lead to being unhappy
     
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    I said what i said in US consensual sex - temporary marriage is a reason for an arrest.
    Youu call it defferent name to make an arrest to deprive pepple their basic rights.
     
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    Regardless what you said you deprive people their basic rights, so it is perfectly fine ok not to allow gays to be married
     
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    You are still 100% factually wrong. There is no law in the US that makes consentual sex illegal. Provide evidence otherwise.
     
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    Once again factually wrong. Provide the laws that day otherwise.
     
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    Sex in exchange of a value is consensual sex, it is banned in the US. There is absolutely nothing wrong to ban homosexual sex as well.
     
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    I'm only going to give you 75% wrong on this one. Yes, sex in exchange for currency is illegal in the US, but that is only one form of consentual sex. Consentual sex can occur without money being exchanged. And that is perfectly legal.
     
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    Not for currency but for ANYTHING of a value.
    That essentially means that marriage can be an act of prostitution (consensual sex)
    In any case, there is no violation of human to ban a gay sex.
     
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    Back to 100% false. Nobody has ever gone to jail for having sex after a dinner and a movie

    Under what logic and justification?
     
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    You must be drinking too much cheap wine if you think anyone buys this story. I went into the military in the late 60s and the Navy required a high school diploma then. Next, you try to tell me that a guy who is not sharp enough to get a High School Diploma gets the nod for a job in an industry that has it's pick of the highly educated. Next, you tell us that this uneducated dolt is promoted over all those MBAs and Ivy League graduates at Solomon Brothers. Maybe in a Disney Tale. Below is what it takes to get a look at a trader's job on Wall Street. When you go to the degree tab, you will note they for some reason don't have a GED slot.
    https://www.master-of-finance.org/faq/how-much-do-wall-street-traders-make/

    Next, you claim to come from poverty. Yet you want us to believe you were turned down by Harvard. How does that work, I barley have enough money to buy food but I can come up with an extra 60 grand for school. Beyond that, 75% of the students at Harvard are grad students. I guess I will relinquish my Harvard argument to Helen Lefkowitz Horowitz. She got two degrees in the 60s. How old are you?
    "Women have always been at Harvard, Helen Lefkowitz Horowitz AM ’65, PhD ’69, RI ’01 noted in her lecture “It’s Complicated: 375 Years of Women at Harvard,”

    You like most liars have no credibility.
     
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    Can you provide evidence for what you're saying?
     
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    Yeah, that would certainly make sense.

    LOL. Shoulder massage from a woman? I would not care one little bit! In fact, I'm sure that I would rather enjoy it! Dick grab? Yeah, that would be uncomfortable for sure! Wait, how much grabbing of privates do women suffer? My guess is that most workplaces aren't all filled with Trump's!

    Why do you think women weren't as uncomfortable in the workplace in previous generations?
     
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    Does Wicca have a text to support it?

    Sabbath isn't a good example, as they all consider it to be the day of rest. No one actually disagrees with what it means. Whereas there is actually no way to interpret The Bible for example, as defining marriage in any other way than between a man and a woman. No denomination that I know of claims any other interpretation.

    New membership which leads to a significant increase in members. Of course some people might join the Uniting Church of Australia as a result of their stance on same sex marriage, but I can tell you that many are LEAVING as a result of this and other liberal changes! If they gain 50 new members but loose 100, that's not going to work out very well!

    That sounds like the exclusivity of the Westboro Baptist Church! Of course, this is where the similarities end, with Westboro Baptist not exactly being keen on the gay stuff!

    Towards you? What race are you?
     
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    I was unaware that a religion required a set of religious text in order to be a religion. Could you please point me to where the official requirements for becoming a religion are listed?

    I am not fully aware of what other churches, independent congregations or organizations, use as the interpertation basis for justifying same sex marriage. Personally, I find several areas to be out of overall sync with the message of Christ and the direction I receive from the Holy Spirit, and are, I suspect man added. This might be their basis as well or not. I know these churches exist through encounter with them in the past, but I did not deliver into their reasoning.

    As an individual example, that move might not be the best for them, but my dad's church has gone to accepting gay marriages, and their membership has not decreased. No doubt we can both dig and find churches where this have provided more members and ones where they have lost members.

    Rock Church would not have been either. I noted that specifically. I just used them as an example of small churches, in the organization sense, that exist out there.


    No, not towards me. Does it have to be towards me for me to see it and decide I don't want to associate with such a church?
     
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    The evidence is simple, the consensual sex between two adult is banned in the United States if government does not like the terms of contract.
    If you can ban consensual sex, there is no reason not to ban gay sex.
     

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