Even Condon's own team didn't accept his prefabricated conclusions. In fact he stated the conclusion long before the report was done. In turn Bluebook was formed because Vandenberg didn't accept the conclusion from project sign that ET was a highly likely explanation.
There are also groups like SETI that are dedicating their lives in the search for ETs. It would be a marjor event if someone found incontrovertibl evidence. Unfortunately, like bigfoot this has been a magnet for fakes, too. I think we're continuing to spend reasonable energy in the serarch.
There is a PHYSICS as revolutionary on Relativity and the Speed of Light as Relativity was on Newtonian Physics. Will it be more similar to Warp Drive or Sub Space Travel. Or something beyond our SciFi imagination. Please no Wormholes nor Quantum Mechanics. Don't Let Today's Physics be a barrier.
This was another set up by the air force The univ. was paid big bucks to arrive at what govt wanted to publish. Our govt has gone far in trying to keep this a secret from the people . That there is an unknown intelligence with magical looking advanced tech that is far superior to ours right under our noses as some of us argue over if other intelligence exists in this universe! So absurd it would be hard to make this stuff up! Fact is other intelligence does exist other than earthlings and their tech is indistiguishable from magic !
So far, every physicist I've heard of sees today's physics as an issue not to be ignored. Even those theorists dreaming up quantum models struggle to keep their models producing the world of physics that we live in today. Einstein's relativity kept Newton's model in place as a subset. My bet is that any extention of relativity will keep relativity in place as a subset, too.
I have a hard time with conspiracies that exreme. You're suggesting that government controls what scientists think, what they see, what everyone sees. That's not possible. Multiple groups of scientists have looked at the stuff Condon could look at. Plus, we're only one country with modern detection and testing capabilities. I'm not saying there are no ET's. But, so far everything we have is still in the range of unidentified - at best.
I have to agree with this. As someone who spent a number of years in the military and at quite a few AF and Naval bases, it would be impossible for the military to really hide a secret spaceship or a secret meeting and "collude" with intelligent life forms from other planets. It's just impossible to keep secrets like that. There is no proof they have been here and there is no proof they are out there. They very well could be out there but until we have definitive proof, it's really just one's opinion against another's. I can tell you that the government doesn't mind people thinking there are UFO's out there and at one time embraced the idea as it gave them cover for operating top secret projects around Skunk Works and stealth technology. The constant probes into China lake and Area 151 caused some problems so they generally soured on it and were forced to fly a lot at night when they could "sneak" aircraft out without being seen. In any case, ask any pilot who has 2-3K hours in the air and almost all of them have seen something or been vectored to an area that had something "explainable". Once we were directed by the E-2 into an area because they thought the contact was hostile, it was squawking MOD 4, which is a military channel and efforts to interrogate via IFF were failing. When we got there, it clear blue and not a single contact. They swore something was there and still was. Chalked up to errant reflections of RF or other signals. It happened all the time.
And if true, obviously they didn't. That is the real irony of a popular argument: They could never keep it a secret!!! Well, given that we're discussing it, they didn't. So that point invalidates itself. The other issue that there is no continuity. Things happen. Reports get filed. People move on. People die. Presidents come and go. WHO has the information. According to Ed Mitchell [astronaut], the government doesn't even control the information. It is all in the hands of private contractors. Gordon Cooper [astronaut] explained that even though he saw a flying saucer land at Edwards AFB while he was in charge of test flights, he has no idea where the film went after he saw it. He wouldn't even know who to call to ask. Is it a secret that a flying saucer landed at Edwards AFB? One of the commanding officers publicly said it happened. What cover up?
So your argument is that we are discussing on this forum so we know the military has spaceships and is coordinating with aliens. lol That is really your argument? You trying to impose your beliefs on others with passive aggressive arguments just ruins the thread and an interesting discussion. If you have evidence, outside of "we are talking about it here", then by all means, bring it forward. Proof is in the pudding.
Well, they've already introduced themselves to me. I had a few encounters when I was younger. They had black fur with white stripes. Not too dissimilar to the badger in your avatar.
Of course you did. And here it is, right in an avatar. lol I actually just wish you had stuck to discussing the Nimitz incident. That was a good topic to cover and interesting.
Oh, well back to the Nimitz... I assume you've seen the video. It was in the news for a while. It could be aliens or could be a secret project from one of the nations here on Earth. I think it came out thanks to the "To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science" (https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/) company. Thanks Tom DeLonge and crew!
The original video came out back in 2004 and was shared by the crew around the ship. I saw it long before it become public knowledge just like many other UAP's that don't make the news. It was captured by the pilot using his ATFLIR. Long story short, it combines laser tracking with Infrared. It's a single pod that combines mid-wave infrared targeting and navigation Forward Looking frared, (which is an electro-optical, or visual light, sensor... ie, you can see in the dark, even Police Dept. use it now) a laser rangefinder and target designator, and a laser spot-tracker. It can locate and designate targets day or night at ranges exceeding 40 nautical miles and altitudes surpassing 50,000 feet.) We call them UAP's now or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena's..... The Navy confirmed that they were authentic but they could not describe or affirm exactly what it was. They also confirm it never actually showed up on radar. So what could it possibly be? I am going with an optical illusion. Further reading: Pilots report: https://thevault.tothestarsacademy.com/nimitz-report Executive report: https://thevault.tothestarsacademy.com/tictacreport
Not saying govt is controlling what scientists think. That would be tin foil hat thinking . But in regards to the Condon report there is an airforce document that insures the conclusion of that report. The conclusion was known 18 months ahead of time if memory serves me. The evidence for this is available probably through Dolan or another researcher using foia. The report attributed one significant event to a natural phenomena that was not seen before nor after the one time event! Lol . Many of the claims made by these ufo researchers are backed up by govt documents going back to the late 40s and 50s . And before Reagan did some changes to foia to limit access to some info .The window before Reagan revealed quite a bit of ufo info. Some govt info got out right after the ussr broke up but the lid was put back on. And Canada isnt revealing anything at all. Indeed the only reveals come from govt documents some ufo people have gotten their hands on via foia. There is a site that lists these documents as well as content. The evidence is there for the looking. Within the academic community it has been taboo as a subject and a recent Ted Talk goes into that And just look how msm has treated the subject for decades ! As Knapp said you can end a career in journalism by giving it serious consideration just like ending a career in piloting commercial aircraft by reporting encounters with ufo. The jap pilot that reported a giant ufo over Alaska that was picked up on ground radar lost his job! To deny any of this taboo that threatens jobs is from not being informed. The info is out there and ignored in a big way . And that is more weird than the existence of these craft and their capabilities that far surpass our tech. And of course these craft are unidentified. For we know of no nation or tech that is involved. But we know they exist and we cant hold a candle to them . Yet they can be measured . The fact that science in academia will have nothing to do witg them is unbelievable given the physics involved.
Wrong. Not only did it show up on radar from the ship but several showed up on SAP as the second plane couldn't lock on with targeting radar because the craft jammed it. Listen to commander fravor on joe rogan who was the first pilot to interact with it. You dont even have the info correct. And you are clouding up facts. This is always a problem. Of course you can call the commander a liar! My info comes from him . Optical illusion ? Clearly you dont have all of the facts. That illusion jammed targeting radar when they tried to lock on to it.
Well these type of craft with those magical abilities date back 70 years . They are not new. No visible means of propulsion and can do right angle turns at great speed that would tear apart any solid craft into pieces . They can travel at 10s of thousands miles per hour with no sonic booms. The tic tac even appeared at a coded rendezvous point after it vanished at high speed from where it was first seen by eyeballs and gun camera. And it could move from 80000 feet to sea level in seconds . I dont think our govt thinks this is some project of another nation. Who or what they are is the big question . There are govt docunents that say they are ETs. For if you eliminate wwho they aint they must be someone not of this earth. Whether gods time travelers or another dimension. I just wonder if any govt knows where they come from? I doubt it.
Flying saucers are rooted in science fiction. I'm curious from an aeronautical engineer's perspective, if a flying saucer shaped vehicle makes any sense from a design perspective?? In science fiction books and movies, starting back on day-1, SF authors could have used a potato instead of a saucer...and today we would be talking conspiracies about flying potatoes!
I like that! In space, there isn't a reason for a particular shape, as there is no atmosphere and not enough rapid acceleration to cause a problem. So, we boost the gangly ISS once in a while as its orbit gradually decays. Maybe some mother ship is bringing along a potato or saucer for negotiating our atmosphere!
No, read what I said. I said if true, then clearly it isn't a secret that has been kept. I am imposing some rather obvious logic. Do I need to further simplify for you? It can't be argued that something hundreds if not thousands of former military and intelligence personnel are discussing publicly, has been kept a secret.
Show me the source. I know the actual source of the term "flying saucers". I also know who named them UFOs. Can anyone here name those sources?
Now many people use the term UAP - Unexplained Aerial Phenomenon. Who came up with that term? Hint: None of them come from science fiction.
