Do you think the slaves were owed reparations?

I have told you several times that your childish little analogy is false. I'm sure you are fond of it, but it means absolutely nothing and has NO bearing on the history in question. The traitors were crushed, the court has ruled, the history is clear. Why don't you grow up and move on?

 

Okay let’s try this again.

How EXACTLY is my analogy false?

 

"Too little too late" in that, tragically, it could not be leveraged into a successful prevention for the enormous, horrific war that followed. I put the blame mostly on Lincoln... he was president, and he could have stopped all of it from happening.

Next come the Lincoln defenders saying, "Yeh, but it was the South that fired the first shot", which is factually correct. But where the hell was Lincoln BEFORE that fateful 'first shot' was fired...?

. "Where was I...? Crushing the 10th Amendment -- that's where...!"

 

equal protection of the law is in or Constitution.

 

Technically, all analogies are fallacious. They are only useful as pedagogical tools at the best of times. Obviously yours has failed in that regard.

It might be time to forego analogies and use actual argumentation.

 

Great then when the union violated the contract that they had signed. After they refused to cease and after they had been ordered by the Supreme Court to cease and they refuse. Then they are in breach of contract.

As such any party who beaches contract has no right whatsoever to force the second party to remain in their agreement by threat of violence.

So how does that make the south the traitors?

 

Btw I use an analogy because their hatred for the confederacy and their 150+ years of brainwashing doesn’t allow them to look at the issue without bias.

However when presented with the exact same scenario in another context they readily admit that the traitor or the treasonous or party at fault is the party who violates the contract, not the party who leaves the agreement because party A refused to stop violating the contract.

 

Actually African Americans were respected after the reconstruction

For some reason we reverted back to White racism after the civil war. The Jim Crow laws made sure no African-Americans got into the government

I recently learned that the first African-American senator was elected right after the war. The slaves had gained respect but somehow lost it


African American Senators. To date, ten African Americans have served in the United States Senate. In 1870, Hiram Revels of Mississippi became the first African American senator. Five years later, Blanche K. Bruce of Mississippi took the oath of office.




It is amazing that we just got our first two native American Congress people

Both of them are women

I like Deb Haaland a lot
.

 

No, I was just wondering who was going to steal a large part of your country & who was going to be turned into hamburger as per your Post # 897

 

Remember in this thread when I asked the educated enlightened ones to explain the Trans Sahara slave trade and the Barbary Coast slave trade?

 

Saaaay, should Native American tribes that owned slaves and fought for the confederacy also pay reparations?

Like Delaware, Catawba, Cherokee,Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, Huron, Iroquois Confederacy, Kickapoo,Lumbee, Odawa, Ojibwe (Chippewa),Osage, Pamunkey, Pequot, Powhatan,Potawatomi, Seminole and Shawnee?

Well, should they?

 

I think I should get all the reparations

it's no longer Columbus Day in New Mexico it's now indigenous people's day . You're going to stir that all up and make them change their mind aren't you?

 

We payed reparations to civil war veterans, and we paid reparations to Japanese Americans put in interment camps. These were direct reparations, which is what we should have done for the people who were enslaved in the United States

 

A little late for that now.

 

no; they just wanted to go, "honest Injeun" on the Union.

 

im not aware of anybody believing that so called africana americans ever owned property, they werent even allowed to own books!

the question is not a property one, be there land owed or not but rather a case of 400 years of UNPAID LABOUR which has been calculated at a cost of $75 trillion owed by the american govt to the descendants of slaves in the americas. now, you can argue amongst yourselves whether it be the white south americans or the white north americans but either way, the democrats and republicans [all white folk] shall pay, one way or another...yah bless.

 

What, no brainless comeback?

 

So let’s see how consistent you are. Anthony Johnson, a black man was the first legal slaveowner in the United States when he petitioned the court to turn his indentured servant into a slave for life and won.

So since black people actually got slavery legalized and introduced it as a legal institution in the USA, should they be held at fault?

 

I dont recall what liberal nonsense I was responding to but it must have been way over the top

 

Most of us are descendants of slaves. It was called feudalism. Who do I see about getting my check?

 

Oooh............feudal serf eh? That makes us White Nationalists. Oh the horror.

 

Who paid money to buy the slaves, transport the slaves, feed the slaves, put clothes on the slaves, provide shelter for the slaves, and provide services as needed for the slaves? How much would that total?

Moreover, why do you assume that anything is OWED to the descendants of slaves from 150, 200, 300, or 400 years ago? These descendants weren't slaves -- they were free human beings, automatically given birthright-citizenship in the United States! Why should they be paid "reparations"? The last person who was a documented slave in the United States died way back in 1971....

We "shall pay"...?! Good luck with that. It's all nothing but an opportunistic bullshit ploy to get "something for nothing". Ain't gonna happen, but your faction can keep on working the idiot-fringe faction of White, guilt-ridden liberal Democrats! A gullible, stupid bunch, and you might convince them -- but nobody else....

BTW, what ever happened to your buddy, @Primus Epic ? I thought he was going to give us all some big lecture about Black history in ancient Egypt (which he called "Kemet"), and all about how Blacks didn't practice Black slavery (or was it the other way around?).

He was quite an animated, interesting fellow, with a very entertaining viewpoint, if somewhat, uh, subjective.... Got any idea where he went...?

 

We owed them their freedom. There was no point in passing a law that they could sue their former owners because the United States destroyed or confiscated all the property and wealth of those former owners, they had nothing to give. So especially no to any type of a reparation now to persons who were never slaves.

 

so you are black?

 

yet White JeWish Europeans and those who descend from concentration camp victims gained a prime piece of real estate and a sum of $70 billion in payments over the last 80 years.
so called african americans SHOULD NOT be disqualified from reparations that the White Jewish Europeans receive, based on an arbitrary cut off point of several years, therefore if WJE's can receive billions from 2 years of horrific persecution 80 years ago by europeans then why cant so called african americans for 400 years of horrific persecution 180 years ago by europeans?