Donald Trump pulls his Doral property from consideration for G-7 after bipartisan blowback

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  1. therooster

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    Or in other words you have your mind already made up.. Then that begs the question, what's the point in taking someone like that serious :)
     
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    It isn't a moot point if the question forces you to self-analyze and realize that you have zero justification for your own belief.
     
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    They aren't staying there it's a moot issue now.
     
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    There is an emoluments clause violation. You have been given multiple citations for the rational and legal argument behind that analysis. Here are some more:

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-doral-g7-emoluments-impeachment-congress.html
    https://abovethelaw.com/2019/10/trump-doral-g7-corruption/
    https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/gs_121616_emoluments-clause1.pdf

    The word emoluments was intended by the Founders to mean a payment, gift, or service. Numerous diplomats coming from across the world, along with their staff, media, and associates to stay at Trump's personal resort would absolutely need to provide a payment in order to obtain the services provided for security, food, and housing.
     
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    The Blue Monster is one the most beautiful courses in the world....it's a shame we won't be able to share it with world leaders, and instead likely end up in the make shift Boy Scout camp that is Camp David.
     
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    You posted a comment nearly 24 hours after they made the announcement to withdraw in defense of the initial announcement based on a talking point for which neither the Trump administration, nor you, provided any substantive justification.

    If you do not wish to admit that there is zero justification for the assertion that Doral would cost less than the other options, outside of the public assertion from Trump and his spokespersons on this issue, that is fine.
     
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    Uh, this isn't a Free Vacation for Having Fun in the US....
     
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    Those world leaders are more than free to visit after Trump leaves office. Or Trump could just unload the ownership of The Blue Monster.
     
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    Well if you can't have fun at this meetings what's the point? These are our allies and friends...I certainly would like to show them the best we have to offer.
     
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    :icon_jawdrop: :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Maybe you should do a search and find out what it's for...


    """"What is the purpose of the G7 summit?

    • Answers. The main purpose of the G7 summit is: • It discusses the most essential & burning matters happening around the globe (economic, political, and social). • Proper policies or solutions are laid down for ongoing issues.
    Reference:
    brainly.in/question/7995475

    • G7 Summit: Definition, Members, What Happens There
      www.thebalance.com/g8-summit-what-is-it-who...
      The G7 Summit is the annual meeting of the Group of Seven leaders. It's hosted by the G7 president for that year. The summit doesn't have any legal or political authority. But when these seven world leaders agree on something, it has the power to shift the direction of global economic growth. """



    It's not a party or the Prom....



    Uh, these are not country bumpkins who haven't been off the farm in 100 years, they know exactly what we have to offer.....
     
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    Then we should hide Trump.
     
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    That law has been explained many times over, so keep doubling down on the pathetic excuses.
     
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    No matter what he says or does, they make the most ridiculous excuses.
     
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    I doubt Doral is the best we have to offer. Especially in the summer.
     
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    On what do you base the argument that only profits count as an emolument and that revenue does not? And why the hell should we believe Trump, who lies about his businesses and finances constantly, when he says he won't profit? Did you also believe him when he said he lost money from his tax cuts?
     
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    This. Breaking even would still be a giant step up for Trump in Doral. They are basically making the same argument as saying that a bribe isn't a bribe if you use it to pay off your credit card debt.
     
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    1. I base it on the clause, it requires gifts, titles, emoluments, offices accepted from a foreign entity. None is involved and the host nation foots the bill, not foreign nations.

    2. You are free to believe or disbelieve whatever you want but the idea that someone has to actually commit a crime (in this case pocket a profit) before he is accused, prosecuted and punished doesn't apparently even cross your mind. Does it?
     
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    You are aware that there is more than one emoluments clause, yes? You might want to read the domestic one.

    The thought of addressing what I actually said instead of just making up stuff didn't cross your mind, did it?
     
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    Every meeting I have been to has a purpose...but it's also good to have some fun...

    Do they? How many times have they visited...in particular outside of Washington DC or NYC?
     
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    Our President is one of the best we have to offer...that's why so many nation's around the world welcomed his intervention even prior to taking office.

    He brought and continues to bring opportunity...not a pay to play scheme the person he beat offered.....
     
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    One of the prized courses on the PGA tour....very nice. Also they have AC and tons of pools...not to mention an avg of about 86 degrees, and plenty of beaches
     
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    Fully aware of the domestic clause, thank you very much, the no-profit at-cost arrangement fulfills its requirements.
     
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    Setting aside that you are wrong, again, in assuming that the emoluments clause demands profit before you run afoul.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-doral-g7-emoluments-impeachment-congress.html
    https://abovethelaw.com/2019/10/trump-doral-g7-corruption/
    https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/gs_121616_emoluments-clause1.pdf

    How do you define "at cost?" How do you prove that they hold up that promise?
     
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    There isn’t a private business in America that wouldn’t find what trump tried to do, a horrendous ethics violation.
     

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