Don't worry Trump fans, the hearings are going great for Don (wink)

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    :banana::clapping::roflol::rolleyes: Good Lord.

    Ah, well, he probably voted for Trump.
     
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    I think time will prove me right.
     
  3. Sandy Shanks

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    You apparently hear what you want to hear. Trump's chief of staff said there was quid pro quo, and so did Taylor yesterday, although neither used that term.

    If an armed robber is stealing your money, does he have to say, "this is a robbery," for you to know it is a robbery?
     
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    The testimony of the two witnesses was not hearsay. They were describing things going on around them. Ambassador Taylor had even taken detailed notes as things happened. He described conversations he had with Ukrainian officials, wondering where the promised money was. And he told of the interference from Giuliani. Mr. Kent debunked the Republican claim of Biden's pretended corruption.

    It wasn’t hearsay, it was people in the know, in the middle of the action. You should watch the hearing in its entirety. It doesn’t go so well for the president. Even Jim Jordan and Radcliffe managed to make fools of themselves. At one point, as Jordan raged on, the staffers could be seen laughing in the background.
     
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    Uh-oh!

    A longtime career employee at the White House Office of Management and Budget is expected to break ranks and testify Saturday in the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry, potentially filling in important details on the hold-up of military aid to Ukraine.

    Mark Sandy would be the first OMB employee to testify in the inquiry, after OMB acting director Russell T. Vought and two other political appointees at the agency defied congressional subpoenas to appear.

    Double uh-oh!

    He was among the career staffers who raised questions about the hold-up on the military aid to Ukraine, people familiar with the matter said, and his role gave him responsibility for signing the documents required to hold it up.
     
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    The Dems asked the witnesses questions to get their testimony.

    Jordan was busy providing testimony.

    That should be a cause for concern among Trump's lawyers.
     
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    But when did Trump say no investigation, no funding?
     
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    Hold your britches, we still have like a dozen witnesses to hear from. As things proceed, and things come out, more witnesses are sure to come forward.
     
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    So. No one has actually said that Trump said anything of the sort. But, someone is "sure to come forward". I thought the dems had a case already.
     
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    All of the witnesses have already given testimony. It wasn’t just the one phone call. This scheme was going on for months and had a lot to do with Bolton’s departure.
     
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    If you weren't embarrassed by the first 2 witnesses, you won't be by tomorrows. It's going to be ugly for the demons. Yet they wont see it.
     
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    In other words: ZIP.
     
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    All hearsay.
     
  14. Jimbo11

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    The popular GOP defense of trump is that the evidence is "hearsay" and second hand in nature. Now, ask yourself why the people who were at the root of the bribery that trump headed have not testified?

    Those people such as Mulvaney, Bolton, and Giuliani will not come before Congress because trump blocks them. They are the ones who know exactly what the Liar in Chief was doing.
     
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    The dem clown show starts again with a star witness that left government in May so knows nothing about the alleged 'crime'. LOL
     
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    Bribery? Who bribed the POTUS? You do know what bribery is don't you? Nah, you just follow along with the new dem narrative like a sheep.
     
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    You seem to be under the dillusion that "quid pro quo" means that Trump literally had to come out and spell out the entire deal up front. No all that is required is that both parties be aware of it.

    The Ambassador to Ukraine testified that he was being asked about the aid, and why it was frozen as far back as july. And more than one person has testified that the Ukrainian Presient knew that Trump was going to ask him to order an investigation, and that he had been made aware that his cooperation was going to be needed to order for the aid to be unfrozen. If Trump froze the aid to extort ukraine's cooperation, and Ukraine knew that they had to cooperate to get the aid, then all is a quid pro quo. it doesn't matter if they literally told them about it or not, or if they actually did the investigation.
     
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    The Ambassador of Ukraine said no pressure, no quid pro quo. The Ambassador to Ukraine testified to second and third hand knowledge.
     
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    To be honest, Trump's intent is all that matters. if he INTENDED to freeze the aid in order to pressure Ukraine into helping him, that constitutes quid pro quo. Even if it didn't work, the intention of it is all that matters.
     
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    That is the dem clown show narrative down pat. No matter everyone directly involved, including Ukraine, dismiss the dem clown show folly.
     
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    White House budget official is prepared to testify on frozen Ukraine aid
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/14/mark-sandy-ukraine-aid-testify-impeachment-071054

    Mark Sandy, a senior White House budget official, is prepared to testify Saturday to House impeachment investigators about his knowledge of President Donald Trump's decision to halt nearly $400 million in military aid to Ukraine, his lawyer indicated Thursday.

    Sandy's lawyer, Barbara Van Gelder — who is also representing former National Security Council aide Tim Morrison — said Sandy intends to testify if he receives a subpoena from lawmakers, a step Democrats have repeatedly taken with other cooperative witnesses to sidestep orders from the White House to refuse to testify.
     
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    That was before the dog and pony show where the dog and the pony crapped in all three rings of the Democrats circus.
     
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    Uh oh! Another guy who heard it from another guy, who heard it from a gal that heard it muffled with her ear to a wall.
     
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    I made no assumption as the Trump transcript clearly shows that he wanted the leader of Ukraine to open an investigation into the Biden's. Trump has a vested interest in Biden being investigated because if that happens it may sink Biden's bid to be the democrat nominee for 2020 and when the story broke Biden was a front-runner. Allowing a president to take part in starting of participating with an investigation into a political rival is for America to take a step towards becoming a banana republic. We have a system of recusal for those who have vested interests. Trump should have had no part in this nor should have his personal attorney. If Trump were a democrat the republicans would not stand for such a thing. Republicans and Trump supporters are placing party over country.

    The impeachment process is not a judicial process thus no crime is needed to be proved to kick Trump out of office. A simple abuse of power is enough and Trump has clearly stepped over that line. He should have recused himself.
     
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    No one I know cares about the hearings.

    if you ask anyone if they saw the highlights of the last hearing, they’ll look at you like you just vomited all over your shirt.
     

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