Dual loyalty? No. Single loyaltly.

Not praying to the messiah, that would be IDOL WORSHIPPING, praying God to send the messiah.

 

You actually think there is an answer or do you have a point waiting to be delivered ? go ahead,

 

Hating ppl that hate us is so unthinkable that should be punished by Genocide, what person can think on genocide to punish ppl he hates ?

and today Jack accepts the Holocaust, tomorrow he will deny it

 

What?

You expected us to say Satan is the messiah? say it aint so Jack!

 

Did you see the one where I signed off as Kevin in Russia?

No? Probably not, not that it really matters. Are there other Russians on PF? Yes. It's not all about you, Jonsa.

Back to topic?

- - - Updated - - -

Gilos, you were the one who brought up the issue of a Jewish messiah, and I am simply asking you who that is meant to be, and what name you Jews attach to he.

 

Will you please tell me what in hell you think the matter discussed has to do with Dual Loyalty and/or Zionism? The Hasidim are most definitely NOT Zionists as they believe the existence of the State of Israel as it now is, is heretical to the Jewish religion, a violation of Jewish Law and antithetical to Jewish tradition. They feel the same about Zionism in general, I believe.

They are rather pointedly holding this protest in the US because they are NOT loyal to Israel, not enough to fight for her at least. If they held it in Israel they would be subject to the very draft they're objecting to.

Any American has the right to object to any practice by any government in the world, unless they're Jewish, by your reasoning. I have every full right, in America, to object to how Catholics, or Christians in general, are treated in Iran

And Hasidim or not, the concept of dual citizenship between friendly countries, and even some hostile ones, is recognized by many nations. The US and Israel are two that do, if you dislike that policy, write your Congressman, or better yet IMO, move. I would recommend Iran, based on the opinion of Jews in general you've expressed here

I mean, I've heard of blind anti-Semitism but this is ridiculous. You're beginning to act like your avatar looks on this subject.

 

No, I have asked you fairly, several times now, to tell me who this Jewish messiah is, and why Jews have gone against the command of their own god over the construction of a Jewish state, notwithstanding appearance from said messiah unnamed. Rather than afford me a fair answer, to a fair question, you have just been silly.

As to the satan thing, hey, if the claim is out there man, don't blame me for informing you.

According to many, the so called 'anti christ' will be a Jew. Or a part Jew. Go look. You know I don't believe in the supernatural, so in that context, it has no meaning for me, but there it is.

 

I wrote about Jewish "sects" and their view about the state and religion, you focused on the messiah, thats cool but what the (*)(*)(*)(*) about the Devil?? you actually think we worship the Devil??

no one knows his name only that he is supposed to be a decendant of King David according to Bible.

 

OK, im answering fairly, he is not mentioned in name only as "messiah son of David" refering to King David.

Didnt know about that in Christianty, OK.

 

No one mentioned a genocide, no one said they wanted it, however, the fact of the matter is this.

It does not matter what I think, or you for that matter. For as sure as day follows night, follows day, if Jews keep going the way they are, yes they will have a 'holocost' in their future, but remember, I do not equate 'holocost' ™ with an actual genocide, but more a natural antipathy as a reaction to, well, the sort of BS that people have to put up with from Jewry, be it racist settlers, or racist and haughty Jews on the internet, or Jewish counting houses, etc, etc. In short, while I admit, you have had a bloody good run, the fact of life my friend is that, once again, Jews will be their own worse enemy, the climate will not remain favourable to you always, and all you will be left with in the end is Israel and the bomb. That is it. You will end up being the most hated people on the planet, bar none, holed up in a sort of exotic prison. At best. Because if the freeloading were to stop as well, your little state would go tits up in a year, unless the Big Jew, Bauer, was prepared to dip into his chest of gold for you. Again. If not, then you would be doing what you have done through all of history 'Oh woe is us, woe to the Jews, six million poor Jewish souls in danger'....(ad na).

Who knows, maybe that is the plan. After all, lower level Jews, sometimes without fully knowing, have been herded around before, want examples, sure, no problem if you do. Maybe the same sort of sick in the head shot calling Jews, you know, the kind of in breds that the Bauer's are, maybe they want to make the Jews outwith Israel as hated as possible, because that is one way of finally getting them to go live in their blood soaked Jew state.

 

Well that is vague though.

Anyone could claim that linage, and try to pass themselves off as such.

How would it even be possible to determine such a thing?

 

Well several did throu the years, the most funny stroy is about Shabtai Zvi, he actually was accepted by a fair amount of fanatics - but the Muslim Sultan cought him and converted him to Islam lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbatai_Zevi

 

I was also surprised when I first heard how wide held this view is..

The Antichrist's Father Will Be Jewish...

I think the Antichrist will be a Jew. The Bible teaches that the Antichrist will not honor the God of his fathers. Clearly, this plainly evidences that the Antichrist will then have to be Jewish!


Daniel 11:37-38, “Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.” If the Antichrist's fathers were Jewish fathers, then obviously he must be Jewish as well.

As you have read in Daniel 8:37-38, the Antichrist's father is Jewish.

The Bible teaches that the most wicked city on earth is Jerusalem. Revelation 11:8, “And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.” Wow, God calls Jerusalem (the city where our Lord was crucified), Egypt and Sodom!!!

Since it was from the Jews that we received the Bible (oracles of God), the Law and the Son of God, it would logically follow that the Antichrist would also arise from the Jews. Furthermore, the Bible teaches in 2nd Thessalonians 2:4 that the Antichrist will stand up from the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and declare to be God. 2nd Thessalonians 2:4, “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”

God never exalts any people beyond measure. Since the Jews have been highly exalted, they must also be greatly debased. God is not respecter of persons (Romans 2:11). Since Christ came from the lineage of David, then it would make perfect sense that the Antichrist would also come from the Jewish lineage. I agree with pastor Marrs and think the Antichrist will be Jewish.

Please don't claim this is racial. Only a fool would say that. There is no anti-Semitism involved by concluding that the Antichrist will be Jewish, for the very Savior of the Christian faith was Jewish. Amen! Jesus is precious!

The Jews today reject Jesus as their Messiah, blatantly. It is hard to understand the Jew's sinful pride and rebellion, but their forefathers murdered Jesus and said, “His blood be on us, and on our children” (Matthew 27:25). Yet, Judaizers today are diligently looking for the coming of their Messiah. Shockingly, it will be the coming Antichrist whom they receive. John 5:43, “I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.”


http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End of the World/who_is_antichrist.htm

 

Quote Originally Posted by samiam5211 View Post

"The idea of being "loyal" to a country is outdated."

No, it isn't. For liberals, the idea of being loyal is outdated or at the very least beyond their comprehension.

 

What is that, in your own words?

Thanks

 

In the words of Winston CHUrchill (a one time pro - Zionist who at first thought of Jews as an "astounding race "- until the Jews murdered his best friend Lord Moyne ) - hmmm.

"

...

 

Jack, I can't quote you very well here as I'm on my iPad here at the DMV, but the flaw in your logic is that Daniel says this Antichrist would not regard the god of his fathers, but does not specially state which god this was, or who specifically those fathers are or where they were to be from. Therefore, you cannot conclusively state that he would be a Jew.

 

I thought I made it CRYSTAL CLEAR it is not my claim, not my 'logic', I was merely showing one(not rare), train of thought.

- - - Updated - - -

Well that is what happens when you lay down with vipers, you get bitten.

 

Stuart. I do not believe in the supernatural. Period. This includes anti christs with magic powers, gods that scoop us up into heavens, ESP, ghosts, angels, pixies, gnomes or elves. Therefore, unless 'anti christ' meant a physical man, born to a normal physical coupling, who so happened to have qualities that yes are 'anti christian', and even 'evil', then I am not going to break into too much of a sweat over it. Therefore, since I do not believe in it in any supernatural sense, 'it' cannot be Jewish or anything else, can it?

In my eyes.

Can it?

Nope.

But then you have those that do believe in the supernatural, and some believe that, and some do not. They could argue that one all day, and it is pointless in the end, since neither can really ace the other.

The only sense in which it could possibly be true, would be if it was meant in a non supernatural manner, that is to say, if a man(or man of a dynasty), so evil in intent, but so alluring in superficial terms, was to step forward, pertaining to be some sort of broker for 'world peace', and he was Jewish. In that sense, yes, it is possible, but not in the sense of the supernatural.

 

righto jack.

I have found that irony can always be found in the reflection of a smirker .

even petty inconsequential lies are important to some to save face/

 

Wow, there sure is a lot of irrational hatred against Jews out there.

 

Okay.

.

 

What were this cult that call themselves 'Jews' like, down the centuries? (All religion is cult)

More specifically, what were Jews as a people, like, during the 109 times the others threw them out, or limited them from what professions they could go into? 50 in Russia + Europe alone. Is it really any longer possible to believe that on each and every one of those occasions, Jews were just politely and fairly going about their business, and for no real reasons than some blind hate, the people go so fed up, that time and again, they would push the Jews out, often letting them back in, but saying they had to go, again? Even on a cold, hard maths level, the odds of Jews never being at fault, and playing no part in their eventual explusion or limitation of professions, while lord knows how many others, spanning what time span, must ALL have been hateful and IN THE WRONG, are so tiny, that any reasonable person can see that there is simply no way it sounds even plausible, at all.

To take the position of Jews not being at fault, and blaming everyone else always, what naturally occurs is that the same kinds of results happen over and over, for it would take Jews as a people, to somehow embrace self reflection, introspection, and finally, facing up to what their people have become, if they were not so before. Only by asking 'why do so many perpetually dislike us', with an open mind, and without falling at the first hurdle, could they possibly have even a hope of shifting their position, their thinking, therefore, their behaviours, and finally, the reaction to them.

Being able to admit that their own shocking reputation today is actually deserved, they begin the process of healing, not only building bridges, but of cleansing themselves, their own religion and culture, of this hypo ethno centric, insane, and quite frankly self defeating Jewry that sadly has bewitched them.

Because they never face up and admit it, they do the same things, it reaches a glass ceiling, people get fed up with them, and boot them out, or limit them to what they can get into. The answer to this is to not do the thing that cause the eventual reaction, not to insist you can keep on doing the same thing and simper when people object, or do not like it, and whine when the repuation of Jews is rock bottom.

If the reputation matters so much that they spend so much on PR and media on it, then why not dispense with all of that lying and deceptive crap, we do not need more spin, and instead of that, let us see good and decent Jews step up to the plate, put those famed organisational skills into practice, and purge the very people who do the very things that earn Jews today the reputation of thieves, liars, racist, etc, if you care about the rep, why let them act in your name then, get rid of these people, and let us see ALL these good Jews, please?

I know that some exist, I have named them before, and where there are some, there must be other, silent perhaps until now. It is a big ask, and a big task, but the only true way to ensure that, yet again, the same thing doesnt eventually happen, is to simply get rid of those that do the things that cause the NATURAL reaction. And replace them with better people speaking for you, and acting for you.

This can only be seen, at least by anyone half honest, as a positive and good wish for Jews, since what is the opposite, to wish they are represented by yet more men, who do yet more things, that create another level of antipathy toward Jews? Yet without doubt, some Jews do want that, believe it or not, indeed they never tire on ensuring that they portray Jews almost as the caricature of what they are accused of, swearing, attacking the messenger, etc, etc. Maybe these Jews are simply following the Hertz model of create your own anti semitism, and ensure it's levels are further agitated. Whyever is that not feasible, that today, there are Jews at all levels, who go out of their way to ensure they are as obnoxios as possible, so that they get a reaction, and can then claim 'anti semitism'..

I have heard a few decent Jews, even among Israeli's, and even among those that either served/refused to serve, in the IOF. There has to be more, but some is better than none whatsoever, although for all the impact they are just now, it may as well be none. Those that have been silent, or who refuse to admit the rep of Jews today at least, is shocking, and it is shocking because it is earned. That one admission alone, just the words, would soften things. The actions need to come next.

What I wish for, I actually hope beyond hope for Jews, is that there can be some sort of surprise, a Jewish spring as it were, and fast. Something that collapses all these insane racist Jews and their outdated powers and ideas, like E Germany were collapsed. Again, how can that be taken as anything other than a good wish for Jews, yet rest assured it shall be twisted, probably by the sort of Jews and goy that want to maintain that Hertzl model.

Jack

 

You realize that is a logical fallacy, don't you?

You can't reject the supernatural and then claim that a prediction of the supernatural could "possibly be true" if the anti-christ took the form of a living breathing human who "superficially" wanted world peace (?) and was a jew.

You can't have it both ways. Either you're a believer in the fairy tales or you are not.
And if not, then the entire fiction about an anti-christ must have been written by an ancient stephen king.